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term='falwell'/><category term='mob justice'/><category term='bigotry'/><category term='great britain'/><category term='scandals'/><category term='frumkeit'/><category term='democrat'/><category term='empiricism'/><category term='shermer'/><category term='financial meltdown'/><category term='prayer'/><category term='christianity'/><category term='lakoff'/><category term='meme'/><category term='celtics'/><category term='mishna'/><category term='law'/><category term='matt dillahunty'/><category term='firings'/><category term='partisanship'/><category term='shiva'/><category term='interpretation'/><category term='sorrow'/><category term='television'/><category term='hillary'/><category term='foreign policy'/><category term='parents'/><category term='firearms'/><category term='administrative'/><category term='correction'/><category term='fossils'/><category term='food'/><category term='courage politics'/><category term='optimism'/><category term='terorrism'/><category term='god'/><category term='religion'/><category term='vote'/><category term='caucus'/><category term='prop 8'/><category term='loneliness'/><category term='contraception'/><category term='hamas'/><title type='text'>Jewish Atheist</title><subtitle type='html'>Still and all, why bother? Here's my answer. Many people need desperately to receive this message: I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone. --Vonnegut</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><link rel='next' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default?start-index=101&amp;max-results=100'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>708</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-2980172474147930278</id><published>2011-07-10T22:06:00.004-04:00</published><updated>2011-07-10T22:11:05.038-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='video'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='before and after'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ultra-orthodoxy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='haredi'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='transformations'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='otd'/><title type='text'>It Gets Besser</title><content type='html'>&lt;iframe width="560" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/63dQlz0LUAw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Pretty incredible.  Even though I grew up Modern Orthodox, I found myself feeling a visceral sense of freedom when I saw the "after" pictures. Before, their lives and appearances were chosen for them.  After, they chose for themselves.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(HT: &lt;a href="http://failedmehttp://www.blogger.com/img/blank.gifssiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2011/07/it-gets-besser-123.html"&gt;Failed Messiah&lt;/a&gt;.  Apparently "besser" means "better" in Yiddish.)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-2980172474147930278?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/2980172474147930278/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=2980172474147930278&amp;isPopup=true' title='16 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/2980172474147930278'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/2980172474147930278'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2011/07/it-gets-besser.html' title='It Gets Besser'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://img.youtube.com/vi/63dQlz0LUAw/default.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>16</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-9126988463148541004</id><published>2011-05-31T10:31:00.005-04:00</published><updated>2011-05-31T10:36:58.238-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='damon fowler'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='church and state'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='atheism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='prayer in school'/><title type='text'>High School Kid Kicked Out of House, Threatened for Opposing Graduation Prayer at Public School</title><content type='html'>This story's been going around the atheist blogosphere and reddit for a while:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.alternet.org/belief/151086/high_school_student_stands_up_against_prayer_at_public_school_and_is_ostracized%2C_demeaned_and_threatened/"&gt;High School Student Stands Up Against Prayer at Public School and Is Ostracized, Demeaned and Threatened&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Damon Fowler, an atheist student at Bastrop High School in Louisiana, was about to graduate. His public school was planning to have a prayer as part of the graduation ceremony: as they traditionally did, as so many public schools around the country do every year. But Fowler -- knowing that government-sponsored prayer in the public schools is unconstitutional and legally forbidden -- contacted the school superintendent to let him know that he opposed the prayer, and would be contacting the ACLU if it happened. The school -- at first, anyway -- agreed, and canceled the prayer.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then Fowler's name, and his role in this incident, was leaked. As a direct result:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    1) Fowler has been hounded, pilloried, and ostracized by his community.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    2) One of Fowler's teachers has publicly demeaned him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    3) Fowler has been physically threatened. Students have threatened to "jump him" at graduation practice, and he has received multiple threats of bodily harm, and even death threats.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    4) Fowler's parents have cut off his financial support, kicked him out of the house, and thrown his belongings onto the front porch.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oh, and by the way? They went ahead and had the graduation prayer anyway.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Bunch of small-minded bullies.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In good news, Damon has become something of a hero in the atheist world, he has a supportive older brother, and atheists around the country have so far donated almost $30,000 to give him a scholarship for college.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-9126988463148541004?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/9126988463148541004/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=9126988463148541004&amp;isPopup=true' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/9126988463148541004'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/9126988463148541004'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2011/05/high-school-kid-kicked-out-of-house.html' title='High School Kid Kicked Out of House, Threatened for Opposing Graduation Prayer at Public School'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-194320954462319632</id><published>2011-05-27T09:57:00.005-04:00</published><updated>2011-05-27T10:03:57.747-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='resources'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='footsteps'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ultra-orthodoxy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='leaving'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='charedi'/><title type='text'>Interesting Interview with Michael Jenkins of Footsteps</title><content type='html'>&lt;blockquote&gt;Footsteps is a unique organization. Founded by Malkie Schwartz in 2003 to assist former Charedim in exploring the world beyond their former insular communities, Footsteps is part social club, part therapy-house, part educational laboratory. Members gather for a bite to eat from its well-stocked pantries, to read the latest issue of the New Yorker, or simply pop in at the end of a day’s work or schooling to meet with others of like mind, to “hang out,” to laugh over the latest absurdities in their lives, past and present. They also come for more formal discussions: free-flowing drop-in groups, dating and sex talk, and educational lectures. They might stay for five minutes or five hours. And Michael Jenkins is always there to greet them with his easy cheer.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Along with Executive Director Lani Santo, social worker Alix Newpol, and a dedicated group of volunteers, Michael organizes the organization’s programs, facilitates many of the discussion groups, and provides members with one-on-one counseling. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.unpious.com/2011/05/an-interview-with-michael-jenkins/"&gt;The interview&lt;/a&gt;.  &lt;a href="http://www.unpious.com/"&gt;Unpious&lt;/a&gt;, by the way, has some of the best writing I've seen from formerly Orthodox people.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.footstepsorg.org/about.php"&gt;Footsteps&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-194320954462319632?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/194320954462319632/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=194320954462319632&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/194320954462319632'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/194320954462319632'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2011/05/interesting-interview-with-michael.html' title='Interesting Interview with Michael Jenkins of Footsteps'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-1972678972961115651</id><published>2011-05-26T09:35:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2011-05-26T09:39:57.426-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='matt dillahunty'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='atheism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='atheist activism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='deconversion'/><title type='text'>Matt Dillahunty on How He Became an Atheist and More</title><content type='html'>&lt;iframe width="560" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/LVgUCUPGDpo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I thought this was pretty good.  By &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Dillahunty"&gt;Matt Dillahunty&lt;/a&gt;, president of the Atheist Community of Austin and host of the Austin Public-access television cable TV show and podcast &lt;a href="http://www.atheist-experience.com/"&gt;The Atheist Experience&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-1972678972961115651?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/1972678972961115651/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=1972678972961115651&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/1972678972961115651'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/1972678972961115651'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2011/05/matt-dillahunty-on-how-he.html' title='Matt Dillahunty on How He Became an Atheist and More'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://img.youtube.com/vi/LVgUCUPGDpo/default.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-6513477382327277649</id><published>2011-05-11T09:21:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2011-05-11T09:25:07.013-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='intellectual dishonesty'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='denial'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='reality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='empiricism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='baalei teshuva'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='rationalization'/><title type='text'>A New Term for Intellectual Dishonesty</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.beyondbt.com/2011/05/11/how-would-you-describe-your-secular-knowledge-integration-strategy/"&gt;Secular Knowledge Integration Strategy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;How Would You Describe Your Secular Knowledge Integration Strategy?&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;a) I discard or ignore most secular knowledge&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;b) I accept most secular knowledge and only discard that which blatantly contradicts Torah&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;c) I carefully sift secular knowledge to see if it is truly consistent with Torah&lt;/p&gt; d) Other&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is not a parody.  It's from a group blog for &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;baalei teshuva&lt;/span&gt; -- people who have become Orthodox Jews as opposed to having been born into it.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-6513477382327277649?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/6513477382327277649/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=6513477382327277649&amp;isPopup=true' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/6513477382327277649'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/6513477382327277649'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2011/05/new-term-for-intellectual-dishonesty.html' title='A New Term for Intellectual Dishonesty'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-8085405760756201835</id><published>2011-05-08T21:21:00.004-04:00</published><updated>2011-05-08T21:37:56.051-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='atheism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='terminology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='belief'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='philosophy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='agnosticism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='weak atheism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='language'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='strong atheism'/><title type='text'>Atheism vs. Agnosticism</title><content type='html'>I've been seeing a lot of confusion about the term "atheist" lately -- specifically the misconception that it implies 100% certitude (surely impossible.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I thought this chart (via reddit's enormous &lt;a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/h6qlh/when_anyone_says_soandso_was_an_agnostic_not_an/"&gt;atheism&lt;/a&gt; community) really clears it up:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Pn6XYACO7SM/TcdCJ9GsjII/AAAAAAAAANg/NQ4eALCvaiQ/s1600/graph.gif"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 343px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Pn6XYACO7SM/TcdCJ9GsjII/AAAAAAAAANg/NQ4eALCvaiQ/s400/graph.gif" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5604521000074775682" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Strong atheism is the belief that there are no gods.  Weak atheism is simply an absence of a belief in God.  Neither one implies certainty.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Similarly, theism is the belief that there is at least one god, even if you aren't 100% sure. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Agnosticism is (1) the belief that neither gods' existence nor nonexistence can be known  or (2) simply a lack of certainty about gods' existence or nonexistence.  The chart above uses the former definition, although the latter is perhaps more common in lay usage.  Both meanings are compatible with atheism or theism, although people who are pretty sure one way or the other tend not to use the term. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I consider myself a "strong" atheist in that I believe that there are no gods, but I do not claim 100% certainty. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hope that clears things up.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-8085405760756201835?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/8085405760756201835/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=8085405760756201835&amp;isPopup=true' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/8085405760756201835'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/8085405760756201835'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2011/05/atheism-vs-agnosticism.html' title='Atheism vs. Agnosticism'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Pn6XYACO7SM/TcdCJ9GsjII/AAAAAAAAANg/NQ4eALCvaiQ/s72-c/graph.gif' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-7451916086394774823</id><published>2011-04-22T10:14:00.005-04:00</published><updated>2011-04-22T11:26:44.526-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='atheism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='psychology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='life'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='philosophy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='religion'/><title type='text'>More Questions from a Teenaged Modern Orthodox Skeptic</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2011/03http://www.blogger.com/img/blank.gif/advice-for-teenaged-modern-orthodox.html"&gt;Previously&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Hey, its me XXXXX again, that 16 year old kid. I emailed you a little while ago and I have a few more things that I would like to ask you. I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to read and answer my questions as I am trying to find my way in life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;Is there a particular reason you believe there is no god? Obviously there is a lack of evidence, but is there something in particular that makes you sure that he does not exist?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;Why do you prefer the term atheist over agnostic? About a week ago I told a friend of mine in yeshiva in Isreal that I am about "75% percent atheist." He responded, "You're not an atheist only tards are atheist, you're agnostic. No one can be 100% sure that god exists or does not exist." I guess he does have a point. Obviously it is impossible to prove or disprove god 100% so why do you (I guess make the leap of faith is the proper term here, how ironic) and say that god definitely does not exist and therefore identify as an atheist, over agnostic?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;This is something i struggle with a little.  I even went ahead and made a list of my 5 commandments and mission statement to help guide me if I decide atheism is the way to go. In Orthodox Judaism your goals and ways of achieving them are very clear-cut: &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;daven&lt;/span&gt;, learn, give &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;tzedaka&lt;/span&gt;, and worship god etc. However atheism has no doctrine of faith, and therefore, correct me if I'm wrong, you really have nothing to guide you. From an atheist perspective life must not have meaning (this is not necessarily a bad thing, this is just what I see when I look at it objectively.) Do you have a purpose in life? I figure mine would just be to get rich, be happy, and help people. Is there anything that can really drive an atheist? Maybe there does not have to be, but coming from my perspective a life without god seems very meaningless.  Any of your thoughts on this subject would be greatly appreciated.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also you mentioned last time that I should pay attention to the comments. I did and they were great. It's awesome to see so many different perspectives on the subject. If you want to answer my questions on the blog, that would be great just so I could see what others have to say about them, but obviously it's your call.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thank you so much for reading this and I eagerly await your response.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hey, thanks for writing again.  I'll take my swings at answering your questions and hopefully the commenters will chime in as well.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h3&gt;Why don't I use the term agnostic?&lt;/h3&gt;I would not say I am "sure" God doesn't exist.  When I say I'm an atheist, I mean only that I don't believe that God exists.  I recognize that I could be wrong, and I'm prepared to change my mind if confronted with new evidence or new arguments, but having spent a lot of time reading, writing, thinking, and arguing about the matter, I just don't believe that God exists.  As an analogy, I don't believe that the Loch Ness monster exists, but if someone went out and captured it tomorrow and showed it to me (and convinced various kinds of experts that it was genuine) I would suddenly believe in the Loch Ness monster.  Does that mean I'm agnostic on the subject of the Loch Ness monster?  I don't think so.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Your friend's definition of agnostic is way too broad and would necessarily include 99% of humanity.  Believe in God, don't believe in God, nobody except the mentally ill are 100% sure, even if they say they are.  Does he consider himself an agnostic, by his own argument?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h3&gt;Why am I an atheist?&lt;/h3&gt;I would say that the lack of evidence for gods opened up the possibility but after that it's pretty much what seems more reasonable.  As I've mentioned in the past, Stephen Hawking's &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Brief-History-Time-Stephen-Hawking/dp/0553380168"&gt;A Brief History of Time&lt;/a&gt; convinced me that the universe could have been "created" without any god's intervention and Richard Dawkins's &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Blind-Watchmaker-Evidence-Evolution-Universe/dp/0393315703/"&gt;The Blind Watchmaker&lt;/a&gt; convinced me that humans and all other living things could have evolved without any "Watchmaker."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At that point, I just kind of asked myself, well, does the universe make more sense with gods or without them?  (Imagine being at the optometrist -- does this lens look more clear or does that one?)  And to me, it just makes more sense without one.  It explains why bad things happen to good people, why innocent infants are born with horrible diseases, why the universe appears to be vast and indifferent, etc. etc.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There's a philosophical principle called &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor"&gt;Occam's Razor&lt;/a&gt; that sort of formalizes one good argument for why an absence of evidence should make us work with the assumption that God does not exist.  It exists in many forms, but perhaps the most concise is "Entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity."  That means that if A could have caused something to happen by itself, in the absence of evidence ("necessity") it's kind of silly to believe that A+B caused it.  Another version that is perhaps a little misleading but in some ways more clear is "The simplest explanation is usually the best."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So if you take something like the Holocaust and look at it through this lens, it becomes pretty clear which explanation is more simple.  On the one hand, we have an indifferent universe so we shouldn't expect it to prevent something like the Holocaust from happening.  On the other hand, we have God and have to come up with all sorts of additional explanations -- that he's allowing man to have free will, that he was punishing us, that it's all part of his mysterious plan, etc. -- to reconcile the idea of a loving God with the horrific reality of the Holocaust.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Or let's take a scientific example.  In ancient Greece, they didn't know that the earth was a globe that is tilted on its axis and that's why we have seasons.  So instead, they made up this story:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Persephone's mother, Demeter, found out that her daughter was in the underworld. She was terribly upset by this news. She was so distraught over losing her daughter that she withdrew her usual blessing from the Earth. She refused to provide for the harvest until her daughter was brought back to her. This resulted in droughts on the Earth. A famine soon began.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Realizing that humankind would perish without crops, Zeus ordered Hades to free Persephone. But there was one condition… Persephone could be freed as long as she hadn't eaten any food in Hades. Just before he set her free, Hades tempted Persephone to eat a few pomegranate seeds from his garden. Because Persephone had eaten while in the underworld, she could not be freed. But without Demeter's attention to the earth, all of humankind would die.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Zeus was forced to negotiate with Hades about where Persephone would live. It was decided that Persephone would stay with Hades in the underworld for four months every year. During the other months, she would return to Earth to be with her mother. Every time that Persephone left her mother to live in the underworld, Demeter grieved. She withdrew her blessing of a good harvest on the Earth. Thus, the four months of separation caused cold, barren winters. When Persephone was returned to her mother, Demeter would be so glad that she would be kind to the Earth again. This would lead to spring, and then summer, followed by fall. In this way, the seasons were established.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When people found out about the fact that summer happens when your hemisphere of the globe is closer to the sun, they could have said well that's true, but it's also because of Persephone.  That's where Occam's Razor comes in.  We no longer need the Persephone story to explain the seasons -- the Earth's tilt is quite sufficient -- so out goes the story (and others like it.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Of course, I'm sure that if there were Modern Orthodox Greek Polytheists running around today, many would insist that this story is obviously allegorical and that the ancient Greek myths are perfectly compatible with modern science.  Others would explain that the tilt of the Earth explanation is actually coded within the Persephone story.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h3&gt;On meaning&lt;/h3&gt;This is a big question and something that many atheists wrestle with for a long time.  In fact, I think it's one of the primary (unconscious?) motives for people to become or to stay religious in the first place.  If you're religious (at least in fundamentalist religions like OJ) then you are told what the purpose is and given explicit rules and guidelines for how to live your life.  Many people find that very comforting.  (Of course it also causes problems for people who don't exactly fit into the rules, like gay people or those who care about them, like people who care more about what's true than what they're supposed to believe, etc.  For that reason and others, it only kind of works if you're good at not asking questions, not thinking about certain things, living in denial, or engaging in compartmentalization.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As you allude to, there are no rules and guidelines for being an atheist.  Atheism is not a religion or even a philosophy, it's a simple lack of belief in one particular thing.  Just as not-believing-in-astrology doesn't give your life meaning or specific rules, not-believing-in-god doesn't either.  So there are as many approaches to these questions as there are atheists.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some atheists (and some theists) are &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existentialism"&gt;existentialists&lt;/a&gt;.  They believe that you are responsible for creating your own meaning and examine the best ways of doing that and living that meaning passionately.  Other atheists are &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism"&gt;nihilists&lt;/a&gt; who agree with the existentialists that there is no objective meaning, but don't necessarily take it any further than that.  Others are hedonists.  Others don't really think about it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for me, I think it's actually kind of a silly question.  I'm not saying you're silly for asking it -- we all ask it -- but that if you think about it, it's kind of a strange way to look at things.  Do we ask what the meaning of a summer afternoon is?  Or what's the purpose of Tuesday?  The question to me reflects some kind of internalized &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_work_ethic"&gt;Protestant work ethic&lt;/a&gt; that implies that things are only worthwhile if they are productive in some way.  I think it's worth really examining that piece of cultural indoctrination.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I try to just live my life as I see fit.  I want to be comfortable, so I went into a career where I could make decent money doing something I like, but I didn't care enough about being rich that I was willing to do something I didn't like or to work many more hours in order to achieve great wealth.  I love my wife and I want a family, so I got married.  I care about other people, so I help them when I can and try to avoid causing them harm.  I have various hobbies I enjoy, so I engage in them often.  Etc.  And again, I have seen and continue to see a psychologist to help me kind of examine myself, recognize and dismantle some of my internalized beliefs that aren't necessarily true, and continue to make good choices and improve my life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I know that someday I'm going to die but that doesn't really bother me -- I figure not being born never bothered me so being dead will probably be about the same.  I know that someday the sun is going to gradually become a Red Giant and then a White Dwarf and that someday long after that the whole universe will meet some kind of end in which no thing could live, too.  But that's just how it is.  It's sad and tragic like death is sad and tragic, but what are you gonna do?  Enjoy it while you can.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-7451916086394774823?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/7451916086394774823/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=7451916086394774823&amp;isPopup=true' title='13 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/7451916086394774823'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/7451916086394774823'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2011/04/more-questions-from-teenaged-modern.html' title='More Questions from a Teenaged Modern Orthodox Skeptic'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>13</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-5898275602025426299</id><published>2011-04-04T16:08:00.005-04:00</published><updated>2011-04-04T16:49:16.954-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='intellectual honesty'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='denial'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='compartmentalization'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='psychology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='cognition'/><title type='text'>The Yetzer Haemes (The Inclination to Truth)</title><content type='html'>In Orthodox Judaism they talk about the yetzer hatov (good inclination) and the yetzer hara (evil inclination) as components of the human psyche.  It's obviously an oversimplified version of reality, but so is Freud's id/ego/superego.  It can still be a useful concept.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PX2MWO2UoRg/TZomO69wRVI/AAAAAAAAANY/R2TlS-Ifz7o/s1600/259335-animal_house_pinto1_super.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 240px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PX2MWO2UoRg/TZomO69wRVI/AAAAAAAAANY/R2TlS-Ifz7o/s400/259335-animal_house_pinto1_super.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5591823925122188626" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As regular readers know, I've been thinking for a long time about how and why some people become skeptics and others, even very smart and educated ones, continue to believe in what I see as fairy tales.  I've investigated various hows like &lt;a href="http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/search/label/compartmentalization"&gt;compartmentalization&lt;/a&gt; and good, old-fashioned &lt;a href="http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2007/07/modern-orthodoxys-state-of-denial.html"&gt;denial&lt;/a&gt;, but I haven't really gotten into the why.  Why did I stop believing, while others maintain their faith or even harden it?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Subjectively, it feels to me like I have what I'll call a yetzer haemes, the inclination to truth.  When I think or hear something that doesn't ring true, I feel a nagging sensation in my brain, analogous to the one I felt when I was a kid and wanted to break a rule that my parents had set, which would have been the yetzer hatov.  I feel it when someone I disagree with says something that rings false, but I also feel it even when someone I agree with makes an argument that rings false.  It's even caused me to delete some of my own drafts for this blog instead of posting them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Maybe it's a function of nerdiness.  I am a computer programmer, and I have (but fight) that nerd's compulsive desire to "fix" statements that are even just a little imprecise, let alone false.  You know that nerd who will interject into a conversation to correct somebody's off-the-cuff remark about something totally unimportant?  ("Well, actually, in ancient Rome, the aqueduct was blah blah blah...")  That would be me if I hadn't learned how to shut up so I wouldn't get made fun of in middle school*.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There does seem to be a correlation between nerds and atheism.  Scientists are disproportionately atheists, science fiction is full of atheism, etc.  On the other hand, engineers and accountants are nerds who tend to be believers more often than programmers and scientists do, in my experience -- maybe their need for an orderly, sensible universe combined with a cautious, conservative nature overrides their desire for correctness at all costs.  And anyone who knows Orthodox Jews knows there are plenty of nerds who believe, too.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So do other people just not have that yetzer?  Or is it much weaker?  Or have they just gotten into the habit of ignoring it or running it over?  Has religion taught them to ignore it, perhaps identifying it with the yetzer hara?  Is it possible that even fundamentalist religions like Orthodox Judaism really ring true to them on that level?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I guess I don't really have any answers.  I just thought the concept might be worth thinking about.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;font size="2"&gt;*For those who still suffer from this malady, software developer and blogger Miguel de Icaza gets into it in &lt;a href="http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2011/Feb-17.html"&gt;Why you are not getting laid&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/font&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-5898275602025426299?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/5898275602025426299/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=5898275602025426299&amp;isPopup=true' title='21 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/5898275602025426299'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/5898275602025426299'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2011/04/yetzer-haemes-inclination-to-truth.html' title='The Yetzer Haemes (The Inclination to Truth)'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PX2MWO2UoRg/TZomO69wRVI/AAAAAAAAANY/R2TlS-Ifz7o/s72-c/259335-animal_house_pinto1_super.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>21</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-1224259708341105316</id><published>2011-03-19T15:45:00.004-04:00</published><updated>2011-03-19T17:05:51.824-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='israel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='psychology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='bible'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='life'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='philosophy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='religion'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='advice'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='yeshiva'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='history'/><title type='text'>Advice for a Teenaged Modern Orthodox Skeptic</title><content type='html'>&lt;blockquote&gt;I am a 16 year old boy who goes to a modern orthodox high school. I have been religious my whole life but am very skeptical about Judaism and God's existence as a whole. A few months ago, I hit the breaking point and for a few weeks I did not keep kosher or shabbos. I spoke with my parents about it and they were heartbroken. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I thought about it for a while and I decided that I will finish up high school and go to my Israel year and then if I am still not satisfied with Judaism I will just live my life free of overbearing laws that make no sense and just go crazy in college. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This leads to my question. When i learn gemara and chumash and what not I have a hard time taking it seriously. So my question is that what in Judaism is actually real and what is just made up, from an atheist perspective at least. For instance, were the Jews actually ever in the desert? Did the forefathers really exist? What about more modern things like the Channukah and Purim story and the wars in the times of navi'im?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The 2nd part of my question is, so lets say  there is no god, were the prophets and rabbis like rashi and rambam just delusional old men?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;thank you for taking time to read and i eagerly await your response by email or maybe a post on the blog.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sincerely,&lt;br /&gt;biding my time&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hi "biding",&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'll respond by blog so that other people can contribute answers as well and so that other kids in your situation might be able to read it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I sympathize with your situation -- that sounds hard.  I personally didn't start being really skeptical until college, when I was already out of the house.  My parents were also heartbroken, but since I wasn't living under their roof, there were fewer complications.  We do have a pretty good relationship to this day, though.  I'm sure they'd still prefer I be religious, but it's not really an issue between us anymore.  We just don't really talk about it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It sounds reasonable to finish up high school where you are if that's what you want to do.  As for Israel, I'd do some thinking about what you're trying to get out of it.  Some yeshivas are intellectual, some are for partying, and some specialize in making people frum out.  It can be pretty tough I think if you go to one that doesn't fit.  A lot of people end up just hanging out with friends or partying, so if that's what you're into it might not matter that much.  I was kind of introverted and not so into partying, so even though my yeshiva wasn't a good fit for me (too right-wing) I mostly just kept to myself and read books all year.  It kind of sucked.  Something I wish I'd considered more seriously was doing some kind of joint program like the one at Bar-Ilan, which is coed.  You can still do some Orthodox stuff for your own sake or your parents', and you get the experience of living in Israel (based in secular Tel Aviv instead of Jerusalem) but you also get more of a college-like experience.  Or, of course, you could just head straight to college.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for "going crazy" in college, if that's what you decide to do, try to be smart about it. :-)  Just because you don't believe in Orthodoxy's rules doesn't mean that you have to be some kind of crazy hedonist.  Just look at Charlie Sheen to see where that gets you -- it looks fun, but it's probably not the best way to lasting happiness and healthiness.  I think some level of experimentation is probably a good idea for most people, but just be smart about it.  If you go that route, educate yourself about safe sex, try to have some real relationships, don't kill yourself with alcohol, and try to use other drugs responsibly if you choose to use them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Onto the questions.  I don't think there's a singular "atheist perspective," so I just try to go with what the actual experts on a subject believe.  You can usually just look something up on Wikipedia for some pointers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For example, on the "Were the Jews ever in the desert?" question, Wikipedia offers:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;While a Moses-like figure may have existed in Transjordan in the mid-late 13th century BCE, archaeology cannot prove or disprove his existence, and the "overwhelming" archaeological evidence of the largely indigenous origins of Israel "leaves no room for an Exodus from Egypt or a 40-year pilgrimage through the Sinai wilderness."[20] For this reason, most archaeologists have abandoned the archaeological investigation of Moses and the Exodus as "a fruitless pursuit."[21] A century of research by archaeologists and Egyptologists has found no evidence which can be directly related to the Exodus narrative of an Egyptian captivity and the escape and travels through the wilderness,[16] and it has become increasingly clear that Iron Age Israel - the kingdoms of Judah and Israel - has its origins in Canaan, not Egypt:[22][23]&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you're really interested, of course, you won't stop at Wikipedia but will follow the references to primary sources.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's really not possible to rule out the existence of, for example, the forefathers, but suffice it to say there doesn't seem to be a good secular reason to believe that they are anything more than literary/mythical creations.  The important thing to realize is that the majority of secular scholars believe the chumash was written by multiple authors over a long period of time and put together somewhere around 600-450 BCE, over 500 years after Moses would have existed.  So the validity of the text as a historical document has to be understood in that context.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The story of Chanukkah seems to be at least "based on a true story" in that the Temple obviously existed and there was a war, etc.  There is some scholarly disagreement on the nature of that war.  See Wikipedia for more information.  As for Purim, secular scholars seem to think that Megillat Esther is basically a historical novella and point to various historical inaccuracies in the text.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think it's possible to continue to study and even enjoy chumash and gemarah on an intellectual level even if you don't think that they represent the truth, but I'm sure it's not for everybody, so I'd just treat it like any other subject I didn't really care about as far as school goes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The second part of your question asks about the prophets and rabbis.  With regard to prophets, some scholars hypothesize that Ezekial, for example, may have suffered from a form of epilepsy, but that's really just guesswork as far as I'm concerned.  There are of course many mental illnesses or drug-induced states that we know cause people to act the way the prophets are said to have acted.  I have a neighbor, for example, who can talk for hours in a very manic state about all kinds of visions and wild experiences she has had.  I'm not a doctor, but she appears to me to be schizophrenic.  It could also be that prophets were normal people like Martin Luther King, Jr. and that the stories about them were just exaggerated and embellished.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don't think it's fair to call rabbis like Rashi or the Rambam delusional, in the sense of the word that implies mental illness.  Orthodox Rabbis today aren't delusional, they just believe things that I don't think are true.  I assume that the same is true of Rashi and the Rambam, although they at least have the excuse that they lived before the scientific revolution.  It's fun to think about if the Rambam, who was obviously a brilliant man interested in philosophy, would have become an atheist if he were born in the last couple of centuries, but there's really no way to know.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway, I hope I've been helpful.  Good luck in getting through the next few years and making some big decisions.  It might be helpful to see a psychologist to help you think through everything.  I advise even adults who become skeptics to consider seeking therapy just because leaving Orthodoxy and all the things that go with that (family issues, big changes in personal philosophy and the meaning of life, etc.) can sometimes be hard to work through on your own.  I've found it helpful myself.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Feel free to write to me again if you have any questions, etc.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-1224259708341105316?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/1224259708341105316/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=1224259708341105316&amp;isPopup=true' title='34 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/1224259708341105316'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/1224259708341105316'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2011/03/advice-for-teenaged-modern-orthodox.html' title='Advice for a Teenaged Modern Orthodox Skeptic'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>34</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-2274845007183980312</id><published>2011-03-04T07:04:00.012-05:00</published><updated>2011-03-04T09:15:50.623-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='rhetoric'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='argumentation'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='denial'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='psychology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='propaganda'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='belief'/><title type='text'>Load-bearing Beliefs vs. Cosmetic Beliefs</title><content type='html'>I've been arguing a lot recently on various &lt;a href="http://www.pseudopolymath.com/"&gt;other&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://serandez.blogspot.com/"&gt;blogs&lt;/a&gt;, mostly about the standoff in Wisconsin between the governor and the teachers' union.  (I'm for the union, obviously.)  Like an idiot, I went in thinking that since my position makes a lot of sense, at least to me, I'd be able to convince the people I was arguing with to if not change their minds than at least see that there was another reasonable point of view.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Instead, I found myself responding to not to just a couple of counterpoints, but to a number of arguments multiplying so fast that I couldn't possibly keep up.  I'd attack the first six, and not only would I not have convinced my opponents, but there would suddenly be six more arguments on top.  If I attacked those, there would be six more. No arguments were ever conceded, either, so they could cheerfully go right back to the first six arguments if they ever ran out of new ones.  This is a not a new insight -- people have compared arguing with certain people to playing &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whac-A-Mole"&gt;Whac-a-mole&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was thinking about how frustrating this situation is, though, and I realized that not all of the arguments are equally important.  Some arguments reflect the genuine reasons the person believes in their position, while others are arguments they just think will help their case.  I'd like to call these &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;load-bearing arguments&lt;/span&gt; and &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;cosmetic arguments&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h2&gt;Load-bearing arguments&lt;/h2&gt;These are the only arguments that matter.  If you can convince someone that a load-bearing argument is false, then it will rock their belief.  It won't necessarily convince them, because if their belief is psychologically important to them, they'll quickly shove a bunch of other arguments under there and hope they hold, but you're not wasting your time.  If you could convince them that the load-bearing argument is false, it's going to at least temporarily shake their confidence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h2&gt;Cosmetic Arguments&lt;/h2&gt;These arguments are just for show.  They exist to create the appearance that the belief is supported by a vast and ever-multiplying array of arguments, but they are just decoys.  Upon examination, not only do they not hold up, but you realize even this particular believer isn't convinced by them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's important to realize that an argument is load-bearing or cosmetic for a particular person -- it's not an objective categorization.  One person's load-bearing argument might be another's cosmetic one and vice-versa.  There are some arguments, though, that are always cosmetic.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h2&gt;Some examples&lt;/h2&gt;Let's take abortion.  I think "God says it's wrong" is a load-bearing argument.  If (obviously a big "if") you could convince a person who uses this argument either that God does not exist or that He does not say it's wrong, it would shake their belief.  Again, it's possible that they would hold onto it by putting other arguments under it, but there would have been a moment when the belief was actually at risk.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Abortion is murder," on the other hand, is a cosmetic argument for most people.  If you could convince someone who says this that abortion and murder aren't exactly the same, they would likely still oppose abortion without ever wavering.  That's because they don't really believe this argument in the first place -- their belief rests on a different argument entirely.  (As evidence that they don't really believe abortion is murder, they would send a woman who killed a baby to jail, but would never send a woman who has an abortion to jail.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How about our old favorite, the existence of God.  I think some version of the Argument from Design is often a load-bearing argument.  I'm not talking about the formal argument -- I don't think formal arguments are good representations of how people actually think -- but the genuine intuition that some intelligent being must be responsible for the dazzling complexity of the universe.  If you can convince a believer that the universe *could* have come about without a designer, you will often have genuinely shaken their belief.  Again, they might not be convinced, they can shove other arguments under their belief, but there will be that moment of panic.  I think that's what &lt;a href="http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2010/03/books-which-have-influenced-me-most.html"&gt;happened&lt;/a&gt; to my belief in God.  Hawking shook it with &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;A Brief History of Time&lt;/span&gt; and Dawkins sealed the deal with &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Blind Watchmaker&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That's why Darwin was so revolutionary and why he is still so reviled by many religious people -- he didn't just disprove a literal reading of Genesis, he demolished the Argument from Design as it applies to biology and human beings.  Even though he didn't explain why the universe exists, how the planets formed, or even how life began, it was enough of a blow to the idea of a Designer that it convinced a lot of people, himself (probably?) included, that God does not exist.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Note that the Argument from Design is not load-bearing for all believers.  Some believe that they have personally witnessed God or that they can see him in everyday life.  For them, the Argument from Design is a cosmetic argument and this other thing is the load-bearing one.  Convince them that the universe could have come about without God and it won't shake them.  But if (huge if) you could convince them that what they experienced was a hallucination, for example, or that what they took to be God's influence was really a series of coincidences, then their belief would be rocked.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontological_argument"&gt;Ontological Argument&lt;/a&gt; is a rare argument that is *always* cosmetic in all its forms:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;When we hear the words "that than which a greater cannot be thought", we understand what the words convey, and what we understand exists in our thoughts. This then exists either only in our thoughts or both in thought and reality. But it cannot exist only  in our thoughts, because if it existed only in our thoughts, then we could think of something greater than it, since we could think of something than which a greater cannot be thought that exists both  in thought and in reality, and it is a contradiction to suppose we could think of something greater than that than which nothing greater can be thought. Hence, that than which a greater cannot be thought exists both in thought and in reality. Therefore, that than which a greater cannot be thought really does exist, and in later chapters of the Proslogion Anselm argues that this being has the traditional attributes of God like being the omnipotent creator.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I can't imagine anybody's belief rests on such an obvious gimmick.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h2&gt;How to Tell the Difference&lt;/h2&gt;Again, most arguments can be either load-bearing or cosmetic, depending on the believer.  It's all about the genuine reason the believer believes, and that might be ultimately unknowable.  However, I think there are some clues.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Cleverness&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some arguments are clever, and the believer might be proud of them.  This is usually an indication that it came after the belief already existed and is used simply to score points -- that's why the believer is proud of it.  The Ontological Argument, discussed above, is a prime example.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When I was in yeshiva, we were talking with our rabbi about the "apparent" contradiction between an omniscient God and free will.  (In Orthodox Judaism, playing Resolve that Contradiction! is a popular pastime, both in casual conversation and in Torah study.)  I came up with an analogy.  I said we people living in this century can look back at people living in the last century and know that they chose X instead of Y and yet they still had free will.  So, since God exists outside of time, it's pretty much the same thing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The rabbi was delighted and the other students smiled and nodded and I was really proud of myself for coming up with such a clever argument.  The argument, though, now that I don't believe, is obviously bullshit.  Even if we allow for a God that exists "outside of time," he also must be "inside of time," because he allegedly interacted with the universe in the past.  Therefore, he knew about people's choices before they made them and the contradiction still stands.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If someone had pointed out the flaw in my argument to me then, I would have shrugged and been like, "Oh yeah, good point" but my underlying belief in God (and free will) wouldn't have been shaken for even an instant.  That's what makes it a cosmetic argument.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Tentativeness&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oftentimes, a believer will offer up an argument or several tentatively.  Now, obviously, there's nothing wrong with offering an argument tentatively rather than confidently, especially if it's a bad one or one not yet investigated or challenged, but it's on obvious indicator that it's not load-bearing.  Either the person does not yet believe the conclusion of the argument (hence the tentativeness) or the person already believes the conclusion and the argument is just cosmetic.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For example, in &lt;a href="http://modernorthoprax.blogspot.com/2011/02/are-there-any-real-true-believers.html"&gt;this thread&lt;/a&gt; at the great XGH's, commenter Thanbo offers four "solutions" to the same problem - the conflict between the Documentary Hypothesis and the belief that God dictated the Five Books to Moses - and adds "I'm sure there are others I haven't thought of."  Clearly, regardless of the merits of the individual arguments, they are all cosmetic because if you knocked them down, it won't affect Thanbo's belief.  He's sure there are others.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I find that a lot of believers who think of themselves as more open-minded (&lt;a href="http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2005/06/orthodoxy-of-whatever-color-seems-to.html#open"&gt;but not so open-minded that their brains fall out!&lt;/a&gt;) do this.  They see a contradiction in their beliefs and are too "open-minded" to either pretend it doesn't exist or to pretend that any particular argument resolves it, so they'll say well this could be a solution or that could be a solution, etc.  Ultimately, if you destroy every "solution" they offer, they'll just shrug and concede that it's an issue, but it won't shake their faith in the slightest.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Arguments that don't directly support the belief&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some "arguments" don't really support the belief in question.  For example, &lt;a href="http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2006/03/bad-religious-arguments-pascals-wager.html"&gt;Pascal's Wager&lt;/a&gt; is more of an attempt to convince the audience that it's in their self-interest to believe than it is an argument that the belief in question is true.  Arguments that not believing would have adverse effects (religion makes me happy and healthy or it keeps me behaving) might point to explanations for a person's belief, but they aren't load-bearing because knocking them down would not directly affect the person's belief.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h2&gt;Conclusion&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;Engaging with cosmetic arguments is a waste of time if you're trying to convince a believer (in anything) that they are wrong.  In the best case, defeating a cosmetic argument might cause the believer to start questioning the source of that argument, but in no case will it directly lead to a change in belief.  It's probably still a waste of time to engage with a load-bearing argument since it's so hard to convince anybody of anything, but that is where you should direct your efforts if you decide to argue.  It's the only one that matters.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-2274845007183980312?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/2274845007183980312/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=2274845007183980312&amp;isPopup=true' title='21 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/2274845007183980312'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/2274845007183980312'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2011/03/load-bearing-beliefs-vs-cosmetic.html' title='Load-bearing Beliefs vs. Cosmetic Beliefs'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>21</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-3369153703125434155</id><published>2010-10-22T10:18:00.006-04:00</published><updated>2010-10-22T10:38:20.237-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='grieving'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='leaving'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='grief'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='meaning'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='leaving orthodoxy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='letters'/><title type='text'>Getting Over the Joy of Believing?</title><content type='html'>A reader writes:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;For about three years I was in the baal teshuva world, spending about two of those years in yeshiva. I came to be religious because of "spiritual" experiences, which may have been prompted by unmet emotional needs. When I was in yeshiva, I was told that you could rationally demonstrate (not "prove", sort of) that Judaism is true (and so, I reasoned, that there is a God). After working hard on these pseudoproofs for a while, I became convinced of one. I then believed very strongly that God exists, that He loves me, and that the religion was true.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For some time (days, a week?) after arriving at this conclusion, I felt incredible. More in love than I ever felt about a girl. When they say you should have a passionate love for HaShem, that's what I had. I couldn't sleep - I woke up ecstatic - overjoyed that there's a good, caring God who is looking out for me, helping, etc. One thing I always wanted from a woman was flowers. I've given lots of people flowers, but no one has ever given me flowers. I guess that's just how it is in society. But when I felt this way, I walked the streets and viscerally saw all the flowers as being from HaShem. Not in an intellectual way - it was as emotionally real and believed as if it was from another person. Trees upon trees full of beautiful flowers. I also really love singing. And in this state, I could sing more deeply and passionately, moving the people around me to tears, than I ever have.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;About a year after this experience, I left yeshiva and the religious world. I'm still not exactly sure how it happened. I think I realized that I'd come to the religion for emotional reasons, but it really wasn't going to help me with them (in many ways it made my problems worse). That peak experience seemed to be the extent of the love, safety, and acceptance that I was going to get. My doubts about the truth of the religion - scientific issues, immoral behavior of the rabbis, and the whole thing just looking as fake as any other religion, came together. Intellectually it's pretty clear to me now that Judaism is made up and that there is no God.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But I find it hard to let go... at least partly because of the experience that I had of feeling so in love and loved. Even if it was fake, I can't see how I could ever feel that way again. A woman would have to fill a football stadium full of flowers to top that experience. "Maybe one flower from someone real who loves you would be better than a million fake ones," you might say. But I believed that it was real when it happened, so the enormous love felt completely real then. How can I go on in life knowing that I'll never feel that way again? Has anyone else experienced this? How have you moved on?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I never really felt that way to begin with, perhaps because I was born and raised frum.  I know that I admired and was drawn to various BTs I knew because I sensed that joy in them, but I never really felt it myself.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm not sure what advice I can offer except that I suspect such feelings are always temporary, like the infatuation period early in a human relationship.  You don't need to be infatuated with (the idea of) God any more than you have to be infatuated with a human being to be happy.  Maybe you can love the universe like you can love a human being after the honeymoon period wears off.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think most people need to go through some kind of grieving process after they leave religion.  Some miss the perceived connection with God, some miss the community, some miss the rituals, and some miss the sense of purpose, but we all have something to grieve.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I suggest psychotherapy for anybody leaving Orthodoxy.  It's a traumatic experience even if it's the right decision for you.  This is doubly true if you have other emotional/psychological issues.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-3369153703125434155?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/3369153703125434155/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=3369153703125434155&amp;isPopup=true' title='18 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/3369153703125434155'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/3369153703125434155'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2010/10/getting-over-joy-of-believing.html' title='Getting Over the Joy of Believing?'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>18</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-8188965950538879199</id><published>2010-09-28T09:09:00.006-04:00</published><updated>2010-09-28T09:14:49.188-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='atheism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='knowledge'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='blind faith'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='atheists'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='agnostics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='religious'/><title type='text'>Atheists, Agnostics Most Knowledgeable About Religion</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-religion-survey,0,7375137.story"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;Atheists, agnostics most knowledgeable about religion, survey says&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;If you want to know about God, you might want to talk to an atheist.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Heresy? Perhaps. But a survey that measured Americans' knowledge of religion found that atheists and agnostics knew more, on average, than followers of most major faiths. In fact, the gaps in knowledge among some of the faithful may give new meaning to the term "blind faith."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A majority of Protestants, for instance, couldn't identify Martin Luther as the driving force behind the Protestant Reformation, according to the survey, released Tuesday by the Pew Forum on Religion &amp;amp; Public Life. Four in 10 Catholics misunderstood the meaning of their church's central ritual, incorrectly saying that the bread and wine used in Holy Communion are intended to merely symbolize the body and blood of Christ, not actually become them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Atheists and agnostics -- those who believe there is no God or who aren't sure -- were more likely to answer the survey's questions correctly. Jews and Mormons ranked just below them in the survey's measurement of religious knowledge -- so close as to be statistically tied.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So why would an atheist know more about religion than a Christian?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;American atheists and agnostics tend to be people who grew up in a religious tradition and consciously gave it up, often after a great deal of reflection and study, said Alan Cooperman, associate director for research at the Pew Forum.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"These are people who thought a lot about religion," he said. "They're not indifferent. They care about it."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Atheists and agnostics also tend to be relatively well educated, and the survey found, not surprisingly, that the most knowledgeable people were also the best educated. However, it said that atheists and agnostics also outperformed believers who had a similar level of education.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nothing really new here, but it's always fun to see.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Hat tip: &lt;a href="http://www.halfsigma.com/2010/09/blind-faith.html"&gt;Half Sigma&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-8188965950538879199?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/8188965950538879199/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=8188965950538879199&amp;isPopup=true' title='11 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/8188965950538879199'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/8188965950538879199'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2010/09/atheists-agnostics-most-knowledgeable.html' title='Atheists, Agnostics Most Knowledgeable About Religion'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>11</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-2413948833979817079</id><published>2010-09-02T09:21:00.006-04:00</published><updated>2010-09-02T10:05:11.424-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='hawking'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='atheism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='cosmology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='universe'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='books'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='richard dawkins'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='physics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='big bang'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='stephen hawking'/><title type='text'>Stephen Hawking Enters the Fray</title><content type='html'>I read &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Brief-History-Time-Stephen-Hawking/dp/0553380168"&gt;A Brief History of Time&lt;/a&gt; some time after my year in Israel and it made me question God's existence for the first time in my life.  It never came out and said God didn't exist, and in fact he threw in bits about "understanding the mind of God" (c.f. Einstein's "God does not play dice") but I was pretty sure he was an atheist.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In his new book &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Grand-Design-Stephen-Hawking/dp/0553805371/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpi_1"&gt;The Grand Design&lt;/a&gt;, he's apparently &lt;a href="http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/09/02/stephen-hawking-picks-physics-god-big-bang/"&gt;more explicit&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Physics was the reason for the Big Bang, not God, according to scientist Stephen Hawking.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/TH-uvXqlMxI/AAAAAAAAAM0/7ujO40iRao4/s1600/hawking.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; cursor: pointer; width: 300px; height: 300px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/TH-uvXqlMxI/AAAAAAAAAM0/7ujO40iRao4/s400/hawking.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5512316597754475282" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing," the professor said in his new book, in a challenge to traditional religious beliefs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going," he wrote in his book "The Grand Design," extracts of which are printed in London newspaper The Times.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The book, co-written by American physicist Leonard Mlodinow and published next week, sets out to contest Sir Isaac Newton's belief that the universe must have been designed by God as it could not have created out of chaos.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Newton, genius that he was, was &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton%27s_occult_studies"&gt;crazy&lt;/a&gt; for religion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I wonder if &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;A Brief History&lt;/span&gt; was more effective for me as an invitation towards atheism than it would have been if it were more explicit.  I wasn't looking to challenge my religious beliefs, just to learn something about cosmology.  And maybe my religious defense mechanisms weren't activated in the same way they would have been if I'd picked up, say, a Dawkins book first.  &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;A Brief History&lt;/span&gt; opened my mind to atheism and Dawkins&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Blind-Watchmaker-Evidence-Evolution-Universe/dp/0393315703"&gt;&lt;/a&gt; sealed the deal a year or two later.  But would I have even read Dawkins if Hawking hadn't opened my mind first?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-2413948833979817079?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/2413948833979817079/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=2413948833979817079&amp;isPopup=true' title='13 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/2413948833979817079'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/2413948833979817079'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2010/09/stephen-hawking-enters-fray.html' title='Stephen Hawking Enters the Fray'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/TH-uvXqlMxI/AAAAAAAAAM0/7ujO40iRao4/s72-c/hawking.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>13</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-6892757284652048475</id><published>2010-08-06T11:02:00.004-04:00</published><updated>2010-08-06T12:45:17.886-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='islam'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='tolerance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='homosexuality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='giuliani'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='palin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='lieberman'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='gay marriage'/><title type='text'>Short Thoughts: Prop 8, The Orthodox Statement on Gays, and Cordoba House</title><content type='html'>I haven't been blogging as much as I'd like, so I thought I'd throw out some quick thoughts on various current events:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Prop 8 Ruled Unconstitutional&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Congratulations to California gays and lesbians, their children, and all who care about them!  Congratulations to America for taking another step in the right direction.  I wish this issue were over and done so millions of people could move on with their lives, but it's great to watch America continue to overcome the small-mindedness of social conservatives.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Statement of Principles&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some of the Jblogs and various news outlets are praising the Orthodox rabbis who signed a &lt;a href="http://statementofprinciplesnya.blogspot.com/"&gt;Statement of Principles&lt;/a&gt; on the Place of Jews with a Homosexual Orientation in Our Community for preaching a message of tolerance and inclusion and patting themselves on the back for being tolerant Orthodox Jews.  While I agree it would be far better if Orthodox people followed these principles rather than continuing to shun, mock, and abuse gay people, I don't think you can be genuinely tolerant as long as you support Orthodox Judaism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What good is it to preach tolerance when you maintain that God himself wrote that men who have sex with men should be killed?  When you stand against not only gay sex, but gay marriage and even commitment ceremonies?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's not enough to send mixed signals.  You can't convince your gay son that you fully love and accept him if you also tell him he can never marry or even have sex.  You can't convince the bullies that they should stop bullying gay teens into mental illness and suicide when you also teach that God thinks gay sex is an abomination worthy of death.  You can't teach your children that gays and lesbians are people to be loved and accepted and also that halakha is a good thing.  It just doesn't compute, not at a gut level, no matter how clever your apologetics are.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Looking down the list of signatories, I recognize some of the most liberal Orthodox rabbis in America, people whose natural inclination would be -- if they were not Orthodox -- to recognize and accept gays and lesbians as equals and embrace gay marriage as wholeheartedly as they do straight marriage.  But they are Orthodox.  And so we get half-measures and mixed signals.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you're genuinely for tolerance, you cannot continue to support the tenets of Orthodox Judaism.  The two are mutually exclusive. Still, something is better than nothing, and I commend the rabbis for going as far as they have to reduce harm.  I hope it helps.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Cordoba House&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Various Republicans including most famously Sarah Palin but also lesser luminaries like Rudoph Giuliani and demi-Republican Joe Lieberman have been ranting and raving about plans for a Muslim cultural center to be built several blocks from Ground Zero on the grounds that Muslims perpetrated the 9/11 attacks and therefore it's insensitive to allow the center to be built nearby.  Or something.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;They disgust me.  They do not get what makes America great.  They're small-minded and hateful and eager to exploit the average American's fear for political gain. They think the difference between America and (e.g.) Afghanistan is that we are (Judeo-) Christian and they are Muslim.  It's not.  There were Christian countries for centuries that engaged in slaughters much larger than 9/11.  What makes America great is not that so many citizens are Christian or Jewish but that in spite of that religiosity, we are a pluralistic and tolerant country. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have no illusions about Islam.  Traditional Islam is without a doubt worse than Orthodox Judaism or any of today's mainstream Christian denominations.  Worse for women, worse for gays, worse for nonbelievers, worse for intellectuals, worse even for the pious -- pretty much worse in every way.  But it doesn't have to stay that way. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ancient Judaism was much like modern Islam -- just open the Torah and you'll find exhortations to execute gay people and those who don't keep the Sabbath, condoning of child marriage and slavery and treating women as property -- pretty much everything we rightly revile Islam for today.  And yet Judaism changed.  The largest denomination of Judaism today allows for and encourages total equality between the sexes, full rights and tolerance for homosexuality, and total engagement with secular scholarship.  Even the Orthodox holdouts have long since jettisoned the implementation of most of the Torah's horrible rules and mostly restrict their bigotry to words and social ostracization.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Christianity for centuries engaged in the kind of mass slaughter and forced conversion that the pathetic al-Qaeda could only dream of, and even they reformed.  (I'm not speaking of Luther's Reformation -- Luther was probably as bigoted a man as ever existed -- but rather the reformation that occurred as Christians absorbed the secular ideas of modern humanism and modern science.  The Catholic Church today can't even convince a majority of American Catholics to oppose legal abortion.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Cordoba House, rather than helping the likes of al-Qaeda, is instead part of the solution to al-Qaeda.  We can't beat radical Islam by killing people.  Every radical we kill has children and siblings and cousins and friends who now hate us more than they did before, if they did hate us before.  Every civilian we kill or maim has loved ones who hate us perhaps even more passionately.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But every Muslim we welcome and influence for the better just by our example (not by Palin's or Lieberman's but by everyday Americans') takes a piece of Islam away from the fanatics and turns Islam into a less dangerous ideology.  It demonstrates that modernity and Islam can coexist and that you don't have to hate America to be a good Muslim.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But that's not even the point.  The point is, this is America.  We're supposed to stand for freedom, regardless of religion or ideology.  Palin, Giuliani, and Lieberman are a disgrace to the country they so ostentatiously claim to love.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-6892757284652048475?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/6892757284652048475/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=6892757284652048475&amp;isPopup=true' title='36 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/6892757284652048475'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/6892757284652048475'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2010/08/short-thoughts-prop-8-orthodox.html' title='Short Thoughts: Prop 8, The Orthodox Statement on Gays, and Cordoba House'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>36</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-6341231958647350401</id><published>2010-07-19T12:46:00.007-04:00</published><updated>2010-07-19T16:36:03.770-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='argumentation'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='computer programming'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='skepticism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='religion'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='computer science'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='politics'/><title type='text'>How Often Are You Wrong?</title><content type='html'>&lt;blockquote&gt;Many people have said kids should learn how to program. They usually  bring up how this helps them think logically. They don't point out that  it also helps them fail over and over and over. The failure is  unambiguous, and you can't argue with it. Your program doesn't compile.  And that's clearly because you were wrong about something. No matter how  sure you were that you were right, you were wrong. Day after day after  day.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But the thing is, the goals are usually simple and achievable, so you  get it right in the end. So it's not soul-crushing failure.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And when I fail, it's not like, "Ho-hum. I failed again. Whatever."  Often, my whole world turns upside-down, at least briefly. "I KNOW I did  that right! There MUST be something wrong with the compiler!" But, no,  I'm wrong again, today. Just like I was yesterday. Just like I will be  tomorrow, even though I will think I'm right.  --grumblebee, on &lt;a href="http://www.metafilter.com/93664/How-Facts-Backfire#3180569"&gt;MetaFilter&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of the reasons I haven't been posting much lately is that I finally started to realize how futile it is to try to convince non-skeptical people they are wrong.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The above quote resonates with me because I am a computer programmer, although my skepticism predates my ability to write code.  I've been skeptical as long as I can remember.  Maybe it's innate or maybe I picked it up early on.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Either way, I forget that most people aren't skeptical when I'm arguing and it can be frustrating.  My opponent will make an argument that's so bad the conclusion isn't even relevant to the argument.  The conclusion might be right or it might be wrong, but the argument is so bad it doesn't matter.  I think he must be arguing in bad faith and I get angry.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But the truth is most people don't take seriously the possibility that they are wrong, so they don't bother to examine the arguments they make.  Whenever I write a post or even just a comment, I pause before submitting it to look at it from my opponent's point of view.  Sometimes I see immediately that it's a weak argument that wouldn't have convinced me if I didn't already agree with the conclusion and I don't post it.  Most people don't seem to do that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's obvious if you think about it that there is a substantial possibility we're wrong any time we disagree with anybody.  Even if you're very smart, there are almost always very smart people on the other side of the debate, whatever it is.  Popular subjects of debate like religion and politics usually have books and books written by people smarter than all of us arguing all sides.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And yet most people assume they're right most of the time even when there are millions of reasons they should be skeptical.  For example, everybody agrees that the overwhelming majority of people born into exclusive religions must be seriously wrong about their religious beliefs, since in general only one (at the most!) of the religions can be true.  And yet how many Orthodox Jews have given serious thought to the idea that if they were raised Muslim, they would believe in Islam with the same strength that they currently believe in Orthodox Judaism?  That their beliefs are more likely due to an accident of birth than they are true?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;They wouldn't be stupider or less educated or less honest, but they would believe something completely incompatible with what they now believe.  So, knowing that, how can they have so much confidence in their beliefs?   It's crazy!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you care about being right, then it means you have to think differently than most people.   So what do you do to minimize the odds of being wrong?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Many people turn to reason, because when you reason well you feel like you are moving productively towards the truth.  And yet it's easy to see that reason alone is insufficient because very smart people on all sides of almost all debates are able to reason in a way that is utterly convincing to themselves and to their allies.  Search the web and you'll find very long, reasoned arguments for a 6,000 year-old universe, for 9/11 being an inside job, and for every religion under the sun.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now you'll just come back and say that those are examples of bad reasoning and that your reasoning is good.  But I'll come back and ask, how do you know?  Everybody thinks that their reasoning is good.  Psychological denial is insidious: by definition you don't know when you're doing it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Computer programming is one of a few disciplines that force you to test your reasoning against reality constantly.  And even in that field, many, many mistakes sneak through because not every line of code can be tested against every possible configuration of variables.  It's actually amazingly hard to write code that can stand up against even casual use without turning up bugs.  Just imagine how many bugs must be in your reasoning that is never tested even a little bit against reality!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is why I'll trust a scientist over a theologian any day.  Both scientists and theologians make errors in their reasoning, but scientists run experiments.  No experiment is perfect, just as no amount of testing can find all the bugs in a significant computer program, but the theologian is like a computer programmer who just writes his code on the blackboard and never even tries to run it.  Or worse -- he's like a programmer who writes code on the blackboard that references other code written by older programmers going back generations and generations for thousands of years even though no compiler even exists for the language they're using.  There's just no chance that program could be even close to accurate.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Even worse, we know for a fact that theologians in the past were wrong about the issues they touched on that turned out to be testable.  Before science, theologians made all sorts of claims about the material world that turned out to be false.  The rabbis of the Talmud made all sorts of ridiculous claims about spontaneous generation of maggots in meat.  (The proto-scientists of the day made some of the same mistakes, of course, but compare the way today's scientists treat those proto-scientists' ideas to the way today's Orthodox rabbis treat those rabbis' ideas.)  Even undisputed geniuses like Plato and Aristotle who relied on reason rather than experimentation made some whoppers about reality.  If even Aristotle can be laughably wrong, how stupid for us to think we can reason in a vacuum!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Always remember that you are wrong about a lot of things. In matters like religion that lie far outside of the world of experimentation and empiricism, you're almost certainly wrong about pretty much everything.  Not a little wrong, but a LOT wrong.  Like Aristotle and his five elements wrong.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In more mundane matters, at least spend some time trying to prove yourself wrong.  Never argue one side of an issue only.  Read every argument you write before you submit it and try to think about what a smart opponent would make of it.  Think of what YOU would make of it, if you happened to have been born in a different country or to a different family or religion.  Be especially skeptical of beliefs that are convenient, beliefs that support your lifestyle or your people or your country or your side of anything.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For practice, find a popular argument that is irrelevant to you.  For example, some land dispute in a country far away between people who don't share your ethnicity or your religion.  Note how fervently each side is sure they are right and the other side is not just wrong, but OBVIOUSLY wrong.  Then go back to an argument that is very much relevant to you and try to look at it from the other side, and ask yourself how you can really, really know that you're the one who's not in denial.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The truth of the matter is, unless you're very unusually skeptical and very unusually open to empirical reality, you're almost certainly one of the people in deep denial.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What differentiates you from the great mass of deluded wishful thinkers?  What steps are you taking to make sure you aren't deceiving yourself?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-6341231958647350401?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/6341231958647350401/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=6341231958647350401&amp;isPopup=true' title='39 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/6341231958647350401'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/6341231958647350401'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2010/07/how-often-do-you-realize-you-were-wrong.html' title='How Often Are You Wrong?'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>39</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-2826615896047795128</id><published>2010-07-14T18:26:00.003-04:00</published><updated>2010-07-14T18:34:17.705-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='cosmology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='torah'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='picture'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='creation'/><title type='text'>Biblical Conception of the Universe</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/TD454rzHENI/AAAAAAAAAMs/lv_9O2Kl8ig/s1600/4077736695_6474d6ac79_o.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; cursor: pointer; width: 283px; height: 400px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/TD454rzHENI/AAAAAAAAAMs/lv_9O2Kl8ig/s400/4077736695_6474d6ac79_o.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5493892241431138514" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/michaelpaukner/4077736695/sizes/z/"&gt;This&lt;/a&gt; is pretty cool.  I remember it blew my mind in high school when I started thinking about how the Torah describes rain as coming from above the firmament, where the stars are.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(This one's for you, Tigerboy!)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-2826615896047795128?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/2826615896047795128/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=2826615896047795128&amp;isPopup=true' title='12 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/2826615896047795128'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/2826615896047795128'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2010/07/biblical-conception-of-universe.html' title='Biblical Conception of the Universe'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/TD454rzHENI/AAAAAAAAAMs/lv_9O2Kl8ig/s72-c/4077736695_6474d6ac79_o.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>12</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-7300851661602731876</id><published>2010-03-23T09:41:00.006-04:00</published><updated>2010-03-23T12:26:01.468-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='atheism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='philosophy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='books'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='religion'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='fiction'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='science fiction'/><title type='text'>Books Which Have Influenced Me the Most</title><content type='html'>(This meme which nobody is calling a meme was started by &lt;a href="http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2010/03/books-which-have-influenced-me-most.html"&gt;Tyler Cowen&lt;/a&gt;.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These are the books, off the top of my head, that influenced me the most.  No particular order.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Enders-Game-Ender-Book-1/dp/0812550706/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1269360387&amp;amp;sr=1-1"&gt;Ender's Game&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Speaker-Dead-Ender-Book-2/dp/0812550757/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b"&gt;Speaker for the Dead&lt;/a&gt;, Orson Scott Card.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ender's Game is the story of a nerdy kid who uses his strategic and tactical genius to defeat the schoolyard bullies and then save the human race.  In space.  The perfect escapist fantasy for a nerdy kid, in other words. It also introduced me to the idea of blogging.  In the 1980s.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Speaker for the Dead is a much different book, less action and more philosophy.  The title refers to a priest-like figure, who is invited to learn about and tell the whole truth of someone who has died, as a memorial.  I was blown away by the idea of telling the whole truth about someone, the good parts and the bad parts, the parts parents would be proud of and the ones that they would be ashamed of.  The idea was that it's impossible to really know somebody, even a horrible somebody, without loving them.  That made a big impression on me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When I grew up, having read all of Card's books, I found out that he is a Mormon and a homophobic bigot.  That was an important lesson, too, in that it conflicted so much with the spirit of empathy (and, as an interesting side note, the homoeroticism) that pervades his fiction.  I also grew to become horrified by the ruthless and simplistic ideas about fighting and war that are featured in Ender's Game and that I heard Card himself relate to American foreign policy when I attended a book signing as a young adult.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a style="font-weight: bold;" href="http://www.amazon.com/Blind-Watchmaker-Evidence-Evolution-Universe/dp/0393315703/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1269360476&amp;amp;sr=1-1"&gt;The Blind Watchmaker: Why the Evidence of Evolution Reveals a Universe Without Design&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;, Richard Dawkins.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm pretty sure I was headed in that direction already, but I believe that I picked up The Blind Watchmaker a believer and put it down an atheist.  It takes on the famed watchmaker argument for God's existence (a.k.a. the argument from design) and not only defeats it but demonstrates the elegant beauty of Darwinian evolution.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a style="font-weight: bold;" href="http://www.amazon.com/Contact-Carl-Sagan/dp/0671004107/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1269354347&amp;amp;sr=1-1"&gt;Contact&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;, Carl Sagan.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I found Sagan's secular sense of awe exhilarating.  Contact introduced me to the idea that science could provide the same sense of transcendence that religion can at its very best without requiring you to believe in the obviously untrue.  It also has a great part about what a message from a real Intelligent Designer might look like.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a style="font-weight: bold;" href="http://www.amazon.com/Another-Roadside-Attraction-Tom-Robbins/dp/0553349481/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1269354941&amp;amp;sr=1-4"&gt;Another Roadside Attraction&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;, Tom Robbins.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A friend turned me on to &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Still-Life-Woodpecker-Tom-Robbins/dp/0553348973/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1269354941&amp;amp;sr=1-3"&gt;Still Life with Woodpecker&lt;/a&gt; while I was at yeshiva in Israel.  When I returned home, I quickly found all of Robbins's other books and read them, too.  Collectively, they blew up everything I thought I knew about writing and fiction.  &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Another Roadside Attraction&lt;/span&gt; introduced this still-sheltered young man to a host of characters and ideas about society and religion that just about blew my mind.  From mocking the Catholic Church's vast stores of obscene wealth at the Vatican to introducing radical hippie ideas like just enjoying the rain to basically advocating psychedelics, it provided a lot of thought-fodder for an Orthodox Jew raised by squares.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a style="font-weight: bold;" href="http://www.amazon.com/Still-Life-Woodpecker-Tom-Robbins/dp/0553348973/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1269354941&amp;amp;sr=1-3"&gt;A Brief History of Time&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;, Stephen Hawking.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I read this a couple of years before &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Blind Watchmaker&lt;/span&gt; and I think it laid the groundwork for my future atheism.  Hawking doesn't come out and say that there's no God, but he does argue that there doesn't need to be a God to explain the universe.  The cosmology he lays out in the book is so much vaster and more awe inspiring than the one laid out in the Torah that it makes Genesis look like a fairy tale for children.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a style="font-weight: bold;" href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0061673730/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&amp;amp;pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&amp;amp;pf_rd_t=201&amp;amp;pf_rd_i=0553277472&amp;amp;pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;amp;pf_rd_r=0H83YXDA46GDCW8CNG79"&gt;Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;, Robert M. Pirsig.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This book introduced me to Eastern philosophy.  It suffers from not being as good as the author thinks it is, but it introduced me to mindfulness and inspired me to learn about the Eastern religions.  I don't think I got anything worthwhile from Pirsig's philosophy itself, though.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a style="font-weight: bold;" href="http://www.amazon.com/Feeling-Good-Therapy-Revised-Updated/dp/0380810336/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1269356633&amp;amp;sr=1-1"&gt;Feeling Good&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;, David D. Burns.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Having suffered from a chronic, low-grade depression for a few years, I read scores of self-help books.  Most make you feel motivated and optimistic for a day or two but don't change your life.  &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Feeling Good&lt;/span&gt; is a miracle.  Dr. Burns explains the theory behind cognitive-behavioral therapy in a very accessible way and it made me aware for the first time of all the automatic thoughts I had which had until that moment gone completely unexamined.  The self-help exercises in this book had immediate, dramatic effects for me in an extremely positive way.  It also changed the way I thought about the human mind and the human brain.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a style="font-weight: bold;" href="http://www.amazon.com/Name-Asher-Lev-Chaim-Potok/dp/1400031044/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_c"&gt;My Name is Asher Lev&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;, Chaim Potok.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All of Potok's novels are fantastic, but I think this one had the most effect on me.  The story of a young hasid torn between his religion and family on the one hand and his artistic integrity and expression -- one might say his soul -- on the other, it brings the reader into the Asher Lev's turmoil.  Although I am not an artist, I too felt the conflict between family and religion on the one side and my own integrity and perhaps my soul on the other.  This book made me feel less alone while I was going through that.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-7300851661602731876?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/7300851661602731876/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=7300851661602731876&amp;isPopup=true' title='22 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/7300851661602731876'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/7300851661602731876'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2010/03/books-which-have-influenced-me-most.html' title='Books Which Have Influenced Me the Most'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>22</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-3161452772272288410</id><published>2010-02-22T17:19:00.002-05:00</published><updated>2010-02-22T17:21:43.836-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='extremists'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='judaism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Israeli Taliban'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='religion'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='luddite'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='book burning'/><title type='text'>A Modern Bookburning</title><content type='html'>&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/-7A6nKuvuk0&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/-7A6nKuvuk0&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Via &lt;a href="http://modernorthoprax.blogspot.com/2010/02/you-tube-video-of-rosh-yeshivah.html"&gt;XGH&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-3161452772272288410?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/3161452772272288410/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=3161452772272288410&amp;isPopup=true' title='8 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/3161452772272288410'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/3161452772272288410'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2010/02/modern-bookburning.html' title='A Modern Bookburning'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>8</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-1589390104435543183</id><published>2010-01-22T09:50:00.003-05:00</published><updated>2010-01-22T09:57:05.780-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='health care reform'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='perspective'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='terrorism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='politics'/><title type='text'>Why We Need Health Care Reform</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/S1m7js4sbvI/AAAAAAAAAMc/M9ImOhCbC38/s1600-h/4253810476_5751ac7ed6_o.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 283px; height: 400px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/S1m7js4sbvI/AAAAAAAAAMc/M9ImOhCbC38/s400/4253810476_5751ac7ed6_o.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5429577047790612210" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Just a reminder.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Image from &lt;a href="http://schuhlelewis.blogspot.com/"&gt;Schuhle Lewis&lt;/a&gt;.  Some other cool ones there as well, on various topics.)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-1589390104435543183?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/1589390104435543183/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=1589390104435543183&amp;isPopup=true' title='10 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/1589390104435543183'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/1589390104435543183'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2010/01/why-we-need-health-care-reform.html' title='Why We Need Health Care Reform'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/S1m7js4sbvI/AAAAAAAAAMc/M9ImOhCbC38/s72-c/4253810476_5751ac7ed6_o.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>10</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-5137381657317209377</id><published>2009-12-25T17:30:00.005-05:00</published><updated>2009-12-25T18:00:46.631-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='tolerance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='homosexuality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='yu'/><title type='text'>The Bind of Orthodoxy: Tolerance and Toevah*</title><content type='html'>On Tuesday, four gay Orthodox men spoke at Yeshiva University, sharing their stories and answering questions.  (&lt;a href="http://curiousjew.blogspot.com/2009/12/being-gay-in-orthodox-world.html"&gt;Unofficial transcript&lt;/a&gt;, with names changed.)  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That this event took place is a step in the right direction, of course.  Some elements within modern Orthodoxy are pushing hard to spread a message of tolerance and sensitivity.  I commend them for that.  But they've already stretched the limits of Orthodoxy to the breaking point.  They can go no further, and it's not clear that they can sustain the expansion of tolerance that they have achieved.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is a letter signed by 5-7 (versions vary) roshei yeshiva**:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The Torah requires that we relate with sensitivity to a discreet individual who feels that he/she has a homosexual orientation, but abstains from any and all homosexual activity.  Such sensitivity, however, cannot be allowed to erode the Torah’s unequivocal condemnation of homosexual activity.  The Torah’s mitzvos and judgments are eternally true and binding.  Homosexual activity constitutes an abomination.  As such, publicizing or seeking legitimization even for the homosexual orientation one feels runs contrary to Torah.  In any forum or on any occasion when appropriate sympathy for such discreet individuals is being discussed, these basic truths regarding homosexual feelings and activity must be emphatically re-affirmed.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And this is a message from the president and principal of RIETS, the rabbinical seminary of YU:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;In light of recent events, we want to reiterate the absolute prohibition of homosexual relationships according to Jewish law. Of course, as was indicated in a message issued by our Roshei Yeshiva, those struggling with this issue require due sensitivity, although such sensitivity cannot be allowed to erode the Torah's unequivocal condemnation of such activity. Sadly, as we have discovered, public gatherings addressing these issues, even when well-intentioned, could send the wrong message and obscure the Torah's requirements of halakhic behavior and due modesty. Yeshiva has an obligation to ensure that its activities and events promote the primacy and sacredness of Torah in our lives and communities. We are committed to providing halakhic guidance and sensitivity with respect to all challenges confronted by individuals within our broader community, including homosexual inclinations, in a discreet, dignified and appropriate fashion.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We must be sensitive, but homosexuality is an abomination.  We regret that Orthodox Judaism's rules and stigmas against homosexuality cause untold suffering and sometimes suicide, but we must be terribly careful not to send the message (chas v'shalom!) that homosexual behavior is okay.  It's *more* important to avoid sending that message than it is to promote understanding and sensitivity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Torah says that (male) homosexuality is an abomination, and that those who engage in homosexual behavior deserve to be killed.  Orthodox Judaism says that the Torah is true and is the foundation for all that is good.  This cannot ultimately be reconciled with what every decent person living in a modern society in the 21st century knows to be true: that love is love.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Torah is the problem, and as long as Orthodox Judaism maintains that the Torah is the word of God, Orthodox Judaism is the problem.  If you are an Orthodox Jew, *you* are part of the problem.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;People wrote the Torah.  That this is controversial to anybody at this point is frankly insane.  There's no magical sky god that dictated this scroll to a great man named Moses at the top of a mountain for 40 days and 40 nights thousands of years ago.  Are you all children?  This is a story for children, or perhaps primitive illiterates like the ones who were the original audience for this story.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That was then and this is now, and you need to step up and start being honest with yourselves and each other.  You can't be tolerant or sensitive as long as you believe that the Creator of the Universe thinks that homosexuality is an abomination and you willingly worship him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;*Toevah: abomination.&lt;br /&gt;**Roshei yeshiva: heads of religious instruction.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-5137381657317209377?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/5137381657317209377/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=5137381657317209377&amp;isPopup=true' title='47 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/5137381657317209377'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/5137381657317209377'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/12/bind-of-orthodoxy-tolerance-and-toevah.html' title='The Bind of Orthodoxy: Tolerance and Toevah*'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>47</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-1518354464203084920</id><published>2009-12-08T10:25:00.010-05:00</published><updated>2009-12-08T10:54:53.366-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='intermarriage'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='cross currents'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='compassion religion'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='interdating'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='love'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='chelsea clinton'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='marriage'/><title type='text'>Mazel Tov To Chelsea Clinton!</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/Sx50ePmw8YI/AAAAAAAAAMM/reLDXgblG9g/s1600-h/clinton_mezvinsky_033109_c.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 209px; height: 300px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/Sx50ePmw8YI/AAAAAAAAAMM/reLDXgblG9g/s400/clinton_mezvinsky_033109_c.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5412891865079935362" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Cross-Currents, representing the warmth and love of right-wing religious people everywhere, wishes &lt;a href="http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2009/12/01/no-hearty-mazal-tov-for-chelsea/"&gt;No Hearty Mazal Tov For Chelsea&lt;/a&gt;. Why?  She's marrying a Jew.  And she's not one.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That reminded me of a dream I had when I was first going OTD.  I was, in this dream, engaged to Chelsea Clinton!  And my parents were fuming that I wanted to marry a non-Jew.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's not that I was ever particularly interested in Chelsea Clinton, romantically.  I think the role she played in my dream was like the role Sidney Portier played in &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guess_Who%27s_Coming_to_Dinner"&gt;Guess Who's Coming To Dinner&lt;/a&gt;: a perfect catch who had no flaws a parent could complain about, forcing the parent to oppose the marriage on explicitly racial (religious) grounds or not at all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think it's a damn shame when the response to the engagement of two people in love is anything but celebration.  If your religion (or prejudice) causes you to feel something else just because the couple are Jewish and gentile or black and white or members of the same sex, well, your religion (or prejudice) just kinda sucks.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Previously: Intermarriage and Interdating, Part &lt;a href="http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2006/05/on-intermarriage-and-interdating.html"&gt;I&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2006/05/intermarriage-and-interdating-part-ii.html"&gt;II&lt;/a&gt;.)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-1518354464203084920?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/1518354464203084920/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=1518354464203084920&amp;isPopup=true' title='62 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/1518354464203084920'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/1518354464203084920'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/12/mazel-tov-to-chelsea-clinton.html' title='Mazel Tov To Chelsea Clinton!'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/Sx50ePmw8YI/AAAAAAAAAMM/reLDXgblG9g/s72-c/clinton_mezvinsky_033109_c.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>62</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-2756777305388135950</id><published>2009-11-03T11:28:00.003-05:00</published><updated>2009-11-03T11:49:33.555-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='health care reform'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='obama'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='military'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='defense'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='war'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='fiscal responsibility'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='spending'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='america'/><title type='text'>America Is Insane: War vs. Health Care</title><content type='html'>President Obama just signed a 680 billion dollar "defense" appropriations bill.  That does not include the cost of either war!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But we're having an enormous debate about spending 90 billion dollars a year for health care (which will probably end up being deficit neutral anyway!)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;America is insane.  There's all the money in the world for wars and guns and planes and bombs and soldiers stationed all over the world (we have 50,000 military personnel in Germany alone!) but spending a tiny fraction of that on health care is somehow deemed irresponsible socialism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hat tip: Chris Hayes via &lt;a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/11/budget_context.html"&gt;Ezra Klein&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-2756777305388135950?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/2756777305388135950/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=2756777305388135950&amp;isPopup=true' title='15 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/2756777305388135950'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/2756777305388135950'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/11/america-is-insane-war-vs-health-care.html' title='America Is Insane: War vs. Health Care'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>15</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-2120398236462196809</id><published>2009-10-27T11:40:00.004-04:00</published><updated>2009-10-27T11:44:44.443-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='homosexuality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='atheism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='abstinence'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='suffering'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='religion'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='life is too short'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='celibacy'/><title type='text'>My Message For A Gay Orthodox Jew</title><content type='html'>Chana &lt;a href="http://curiousjew.blogspot.com/2009/10/to-be-orthodox-homosexual-jew.html"&gt;writes&lt;/a&gt; about a gay Orthodox YU student with a &lt;a href="http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/"&gt;blog&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here is my message for him and anyone else in a similar position:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Just read about you on Chana's blog. My heart goes out to people like you who suffer unnecessarily. I grew up Orthodox and it is my honest belief that it is 100% untrue. There is no God and he did not write or dictate or inspire the Torah. The words of Leviticus were written by mere mortals a couple thousand years ago and should no more keep you from finding and experiencing love (and/or sex) than the Book of Mormon should.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I've been around Orthodoxy and Orthodox Jews long enough to know I'm never going to convince someone who doesn't want to be convinced (unless they're unusually intellectually honest AND curious) but I really, truly believe that the case is a slam dunk if you are willing to consider it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There's just no good reason for you to live a life of suffering and deprivation. I hope you realize that sooner rather than later.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Feel free to email me, and good luck.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-2120398236462196809?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/2120398236462196809/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=2120398236462196809&amp;isPopup=true' title='8 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/2120398236462196809'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/2120398236462196809'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/10/my-message-for-gay-orthodox-jew.html' title='My Message For A Gay Orthodox Jew'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>8</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-5334090776147368588</id><published>2009-10-20T13:05:00.004-04:00</published><updated>2009-10-20T13:12:55.644-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='biology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='origins'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='abiogenesis'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='evolution'/><title type='text'>Life's Origin -- A New Hypothesis</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20427306.200-was-our-oldest-ancestor-a-protonpowered-rock.html?full=true"&gt;Awesome&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The &lt;a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nrmicro1991" target="nsarticle"&gt;picture painted&lt;/a&gt; by Russell and Martin is striking indeed. The last common ancestor of all life was not a free-living cell at all, but a porous rock riddled with bubbly iron-sulphur membranes that catalysed primordial biochemical reactions. Powered by hydrogen and proton gradients, this natural flow reactor filled up with organic chemicals, giving rise to proto-life that eventually broke out as the first living cells - not once but twice, giving rise to the bacteria and the archaea.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Many details have yet to be filled in, and it may never be possible to prove beyond any doubt that life evolved by this mechanism. The evidence, however, is growing. This scenario matches the known properties of all life on Earth, is energetically plausible - and returns Mitchell's great theory to its rightful place at the very centre of biology.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;See also &lt;a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17987-how-life-evolved-10-steps-to-the-first-cells.html"&gt;Ten Steps To The First Cells&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-5334090776147368588?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/5334090776147368588/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=5334090776147368588&amp;isPopup=true' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/5334090776147368588'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/5334090776147368588'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/10/lifes-origin-new-hypothesis.html' title='Life&apos;s Origin -- A New Hypothesis'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-674873993112679177</id><published>2009-10-09T11:09:00.005-04:00</published><updated>2009-10-09T11:33:10.081-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='afghanistan'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='obama'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='iran'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='nobel prize'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='foreign policy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='war'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='iraq'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='diplomacy'/><title type='text'>WTF: Obama Wins The Nobel Peace Prize?</title><content type='html'>I thought it was an article from the Onion at first.  And then... "What?!"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The Norwegian Nobel Committee said it gave the prize to Obama for his "efforts to strengthen international diplomacy," his "vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons" and for inspiring hope and creating "a new climate in international politics."&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Emphasizing diplomacy ahead of force is a big improvement, but at this point it's mostly just rhetoric.  He's only just started to accomplish something in Iran with diplomacy.  Elsewhere, we're still fighting TWO wars and he's considering escalating one of them.  He's effectively covered up and excused much of the previous administrations' torture and gross human rights violations and Guantanamo Bay remains open and running.  He increased the size of the "defense" budget.  He has spoken about ridding the world of nuclear weapons but not indicated how that could happen nor done anything about it.  He has made no appreciable progress in Israel and Palestine.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Obama does not deserve this award.  I hope that knowing he doesn't deserve it makes him feel obligated to earn it retroactively.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-674873993112679177?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/674873993112679177/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=674873993112679177&amp;isPopup=true' title='22 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/674873993112679177'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/674873993112679177'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/10/wtf-obama-wins-nobel-peace-prize.html' title='WTF: Obama Wins The Nobel Peace Prize?'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>22</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-5255585784020051722</id><published>2009-09-18T13:09:00.008-04:00</published><updated>2009-09-18T14:11:12.588-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodoxy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='tolerance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='community'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='parenting'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='excommunication'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='discipline'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='love'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='condtional love'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='acceptance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='otd'/><title type='text'>Conditional Love And Orthodox Judaism: A Little Mussar From A Jewish Atheist</title><content type='html'>&lt;blockquote&gt;There were a lot of conditions for love and affection and continued membership, And they were serious, and they were ludicrous. It was, "You don't wear a yarmulke you can get out. You intermarry, we sit shiva for you. You eat non-kosher and our children are not allowed to hang out with you." --Shalom Auslander&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/15/health/15mind.html?_r=1&amp;amp;em"&gt;When a Parent’s ‘I Love You’ Means ‘Do as I Say’&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The studies found that both positive and negative conditional parenting were harmful, but in slightly different ways. The positive kind sometimes succeeded in getting children to work harder on academic tasks, but at the cost of unhealthy feelings of “internal compulsion.” Negative conditional parenting didn’t even work in the short run; it just increased the teenagers’ negative feelings about their parents.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What these and other studies tell us, if we’re able to hear the news, is that praising children for doing something right isn’t a meaningful alternative to pulling back or punishing when they do something wrong. Both are examples of conditional parenting, and both are counterproductive.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The child psychologist Bruno Bettelheim, who readily acknowledged that the version of negative conditional parenting known as time-out can cause “deep feelings of anxiety,” nevertheless endorsed it for that very reason. “When our words are not enough,” he said, “the threat of the withdrawal of our love and affection is the only sound method to impress on him that he had better conform to our request.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But the data suggest that love withdrawal isn’t particularly effective at getting compliance, much less at promoting moral development. Even if we did succeed in making children obey us, though — say, by using positive reinforcement — is obedience worth the possible long-term psychological harm? Should parental love be used as a tool for controlling children?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Deeper issues also underlie a different sort of criticism. Albert Bandura, the father of the branch of psychology known as social learning theory, declared that unconditional love “would make children directionless and quite unlovable” — an assertion entirely unsupported by empirical studies. The idea that children accepted for who they are would lack direction or appeal is most informative for what it tells us about the dark view of human nature held by those who issue such warnings.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In practice, according to an impressive collection of data by Dr. Deci and others, unconditional acceptance by parents as well as teachers should be accompanied by “autonomy support”: explaining reasons for requests, maximizing opportunities for the child to participate in making decisions, being encouraging without manipulating, and actively imagining how things look from the child’s point of view.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The last of these features is important with respect to unconditional parenting itself. Most of us would protest that of course we love our children without any strings attached. But what counts is how things look from the perspective of the children — whether they feel just as loved when they mess up or fall short.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Rogers didn’t say so, but I’ll bet he would have been glad to see less demand for skillful therapists if that meant more people were growing into adulthood having already felt unconditionally accepted.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That article sent a pang through my heart, because I recognized so much of my parents' disciplinary style in the "what not to do" sections.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Just last week, I kind of casually mentioned to my mother-in-law that I'm something of a disappointment to my father (in that I'm not Orthodox.)  She was, of course, horrified and insisted that it must not be true.  And maybe it isn't, but this article sure explains why I would feel that way.  My parents probably have always loved me unconditionally, but it felt to me that their love and affection were contingent on my behaving in certain ways... and I either could not or would not always behave in those ways.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think that that kind of parenting goes hand-in-hand with fundamentalist religion (although it appears everywhere.)  The Orthodox community itself is the same way.  They are so warm and accepting as long as you Do As They Say.  Be (or appear to be) a mainstream Orthodox person and you can have dozens of friends two weeks after moving into a community.  But if you don't fit the mold, you don't fit the community, and they get rid of you, if only by not making you feel welcome.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yes, Modern Orthodox communities will tolerate a blue shirt, some mixed dancing, and even eating non-kosher dairy out, but the entire community is built around the set of behaviors that is Orthodox Judaism.  If a kid becomes an atheist or is openly gay or even just becomes a Reform Jew, he (generally speaking) no longer has a place in that community.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's important to note that no harm is intended by Orthodox communities, just as no harm is intended by parents trying to teach their children to behave themselves.  But harm is caused.  Gay kids, atheist kids, apatheist kids, weird kids, outspoken kids, freethinking kids, boys who don't like gemara, kids who don't want to go to Israel -- they get the message that they aren't loved and don't belong. In more right-wing communities, kids who like secular books and movies, girls who don't want to be housewives or even mothers, girls who want to go to college, boys who wear blue shirts -- they get that message too.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I remember when I first told my parents that I didn't believe anymore and wasn't going to remain Orthodox, I asked them if they'd prefer me to be happy or to stay Orthodox.  They refused to answer, arguing it was a false dichotomy (and probably it was.)  But it gets at an important issue.  There is so much focus in Orthodox families and Orthodox communities in making sure that children turn into this one kind of adult that it does a lot of damage.  I genuinely did not (and do not) know how my parents would answer that question honestly, assuming they had to pick.  A happy son or an Orthodox one?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And don't you liberal Orthodoxers pat yourselves on the back if you allow a little more leeway, say a blue shirt or a secular school.  If you make it seem like your love is in any way contingent on your kids (or brothers or sisters or friends) remaining Orthodox or straight or marrying another Jew, you are part of the problem.  Love (or the perception of love) should not be used in that way.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is NOT to say that you can't argue for someone to marry a Jew or remain Orthodox or try to become straight (even though I'd disagree with those arguments.)  It's about letting your loved ones believe that your love is contingent on their behaviors and life choices.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are some Orthodox people who get this right, even when "tested" by gay or OTD or whatever kids.  I don't want to make it sound like I think every Orthodox person is guilty of this.  There are probably even some Orthodox communities who get it right, probably in very small communities where they don't have enough people who are the same to cast out those who are different.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But this is a problem that's built into the very notion of "Orthodox community." "Orthodox" should refer to an individual's beliefs or behaviors, not to a community.  It's fine and natural for Orthodox people to associate with each other and to form communities, but it is not fine (although it is natural) for them to exclude non-Orthodox people from those communities.  And it's not enough to welcome non-Orthodox people for meals or events with the intention of bringing them closer to Orthodoxy.  If you don't value people as people regardless of their choices, then you do not love them.  And I don't think even the Torah commands you to love only your Orthodox neighbors.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oh, and perhaps somewhat counter-intuitively, you might be able to make a serious dent in your OTD "problem" by not using your love as reward and punishment.  There are plenty of potential OTDers who probably wouldn't care enough to leave if they weren't made to feel so unwelcome.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(HT: &lt;a href="http://abandoningeden.blogspot.com/2009/09/loving-your-children-unconditionally.html"&gt;Abandoning Eden&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-5255585784020051722?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/5255585784020051722/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=5255585784020051722&amp;isPopup=true' title='17 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/5255585784020051722'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/5255585784020051722'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/09/conditional-love-and-orthodox-judaism.html' title='Conditional Love And Orthodox Judaism: A Little Mussar From A Jewish Atheist'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>17</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-6900614489392123014</id><published>2009-09-18T12:41:00.006-04:00</published><updated>2009-09-18T12:56:29.645-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='statistics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='health care reform'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='social spending'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='health care'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='liberalism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='deaths'/><title type='text'>45,000 Excess Deaths Annually Linked To Lack Of Health Insurance</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/45000-excess-deaths-annually-linked-lack-health-insurance-harvard-study-25293.html"&gt;Harvard study:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;A study published online today [Thursday] estimates nearly 45,000 annual deaths are associated with lack of health insurance. That figure is about two and a half times higher than an estimate from the Institute of Medicine (IOM) in 2002.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The new study, "Health Insurance and Mortality in U.S. Adults," appears in today's [Thursday's] online edition of the American Journal of Public Health.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Harvard-based researchers found that uninsured, working-age Americans have a 40 percent higher risk of death than their privately insured counterparts, up from a 25 percent excess death rate found in 1993.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Lead author Dr. Andrew Wilper, who worked at Harvard Medical School when the study was done and who now teaches at the University of Washington Medical School, said, "The uninsured have a higher risk of death when compared to the privately insured, even after taking into account socioeconomics, health behaviors and baseline health. We doctors have many new ways to prevent deaths from hypertension, diabetes and heart disease -- but only if patients can get into our offices and afford their medications."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The study, which analyzed data from national surveys carried out by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), assessed death rates after taking education, income and many other factors including smoking, drinking and obesity into account. &lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;It estimated that lack of health insurance causes 44,789 excess deaths annually.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Bin Laden killed 3,000 people on 9/11.  Lack of health insurance kills &lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;fifteen times that number&lt;/span&gt; every year.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's easy to forget what we're fighting for with all the ranting and raving and lying going on.  This isn't about soaking the rich or getting votes or growing government or turning the country into a socialist utopia; it's about saving a lot of lives and improving the quality of life for a lot more people.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let's try to remember that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(HT: &lt;a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/09/what-being-uninsured-means.html#more"&gt;Andrew Sullivan&lt;/a&gt;.)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-6900614489392123014?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/6900614489392123014/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=6900614489392123014&amp;isPopup=true' title='43 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/6900614489392123014'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/6900614489392123014'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/09/45000-excess-deaths-annually-caused-by.html' title='45,000 Excess Deaths Annually Linked To Lack Of Health Insurance'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>43</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-2033990205317201062</id><published>2009-09-09T09:08:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2009-09-09T09:22:03.473-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ezzie'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='chana'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='creationism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='evolution'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='theistic evolution'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='richard dawkins'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='intelligent design'/><title type='text'>The False Beauty of Intelligent Design</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://curiousjew.blogspot.com/2009/09/hadar-kevod-hodecha-universe-testifies.html"&gt;Chana&lt;/a&gt; posts an ode to intelligent design from  &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.eichlers.com/Product/Books/Rabbi_Avigdor_Miller/Sing_You_Righteous_%5BHardcover%5D_cis108-h.html"&gt;Sing, You Righteous&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/em&gt;by R' Avigdor Miller:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;(Mr. Goodfriend is entertaining Eliezer and his younger brother Aaron on the back porch. Watermelon is being served.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;G. Last year I visited a farm in the South and I saw watermelons growing alongside the steps of the Negro workers' cottages.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Aaron. Why did they plant them near the steps?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;G. They did not. In the evenings they had held watermelon feasts on their steps, and the slippery seeds had shot in all directions just as they do here. That is the purpose of their slipperiness.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A. Do you say that they are purposefully slippery? Is that not merely due to the moisture of the melon?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;G. Rub the melon water between your fingers: it is not slippery. The seeds are coated with a slippery mucus which causes them to fly out under pressure.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A. Then why are only watermelon seeds slippery, but not orange seeds?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;G. The watermelon seeds are palatable, and must therefore be protected by making them elusive. The orange pips are bitter and therefore need no protection. That is the purpose of their bitterness.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Eliezer. Even the U.S. Department of Agriculture says so in one of its publications on the orange.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A. You say, Sir, that the bitterness is for the intentional purpose of protecting the pips. This implies that the orange tree knows that there are eaters, and therefore intentionally makes its seeds bitter. The tree, then, also knows that the eaters dislike bitterness.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Eliezer. And it implies also that the orange and the watermelon know that the future of their species depends on the protection of the seeds.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A. The biology teachers would be outraged at such language.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;E. What else could anyone say, whether he wished or not?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A. If the melon is entirely purposeful, why is its flesh colored red?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;E. When your mother makes ice cream, why does she color it? The color enhances the pleasure of eating.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A. You are now implying that the watermelon knows also that the eaters have eyes, and it knows that the eaters are not colorblind.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;G. And it knows that the eaters relish sweets, for it sugars the flesh of the melon. You are also forced to admit that it knows how to mix starches and acids, colors and flavors, all in exact proportion, and cooks them in the sunshine until ready to eat.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;E. A master chef!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;G. It is superior to the best of chefs. The chef is supplied beforehand with all the materials; whereas the plant creates a masterpiece from nothing but water, air, sunlight and soil.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;E. It is also evident that it is careful to waste no materials. The red color stops at the rind.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;G. Yes. A colored rind would be misleading, for the eater might be tempted and cause himself stomach cramps. Only the edible part is colored.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A. Are you crediting the watermelon with so much intelligence? Perhaps its purpose is merely to produce seeds.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;G. That in itself is enormously purposeful. But the seeds do not need the meat of the melon, for each seed is provided with its own store of food within its jacket. This food in the seed-jacket is colorless and unsweetened, for the seed does not need an attractive color or luscious flavor such as the watermelon-meat possesses.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;E. The melon proclaims as clearly as could be that it is intended for eaters. The seeds of the fruits and vegetables are provided with their own supply of food, and the kind of food which they need, inside the seed. Therefore the meat of the fruit clearly has no purpose other than to be eaten.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A. And the color of the orange flesh?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;G. It causes the eater increased enjoyment.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A. To say that the melon wishes to protect the eater against stomach cramps, seems too imaginative.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;G. Do you not see that all unripe fruits are green? Why?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A. That is their natural color.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;G. Then why do apples turn red when ripe, and not before? Why do oranges turn yellow only when ripe, and grapes turn purple? In ripeness they have various colors, but when unripe all are green. Why?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;E. You can say nothing else: to protect the eaters from stomachache. The green warns them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;G. The green causes the fruits to be inconspicuous among the green leaves. The unripe fruit remains unnoticeable, in addition to remaining unattractive, as long as it is unfit for eating. The ripe fruit assumes a bright color in order 1) to make it conspicuous among the green leaves and 2) to make it attractive to the eaters.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A. You attribute very much intelligence to all plants.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;G. Yes. The fruit tree knows 1) of eaters 2) who have eyes 3) which distinguish colors; and 4) who possess stomachs, and 5) who have the senses of smell and taste, and 6) dislike sour food but 7) relish sweets flavored by gentle acids, and 8) whose digestive systems are equipped with complex chemical processes with which the tree is familiar. The tree knows also that 9) the eaters possess teeth and 10) that they have no wings with which to fly.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;She and &lt;a href="http://serandez.blogspot.com/2009/09/brilliant-accident-or-utter-brilliance.html"&gt;Ezzie&lt;/a&gt; think this is the best thing ever. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm actually embarrassed &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;for&lt;/span&gt; them.  It's one thing to think that God had a hand in evolution; quite another to act like you've never even heard of Darwin!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If they liked that, I've got a video that will blow their minds:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/2z-OLG0KyR4&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1&amp;amp;"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/2z-OLG0KyR4&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1&amp;amp;" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For an elegant, readable, even beautiful explanation of the "intelligence" behind evolution, I recommend Richard Dawkins's &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Blind-Watchmaker-Evidence-Evolution-Universe/dp/0393315703"&gt;The Blind Watchmaker&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0199291152/"&gt;The Selfish Gene&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Evolution is way more beautiful and way more mind-blowing when you realize that it doesn't need some magic sky fairy to guide it.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-2033990205317201062?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/2033990205317201062/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=2033990205317201062&amp;isPopup=true' title='55 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/2033990205317201062'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/2033990205317201062'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/09/false-beauty-of-intelligent-design.html' title='The False Beauty of Intelligent Design'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>55</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-5154291934561774530</id><published>2009-09-08T14:39:00.004-04:00</published><updated>2009-09-08T15:04:23.113-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='afghanistan'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='public option'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='health care'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='war'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='what liberal media'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='greenwald'/><title type='text'>Pop Quiz: What Percentage of Americans Oppose The War In Afghanistan?</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/09/01/cnn-poll-afghanistan-war-opposition-at-all-time-high/"&gt;CNN&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Opposition to the war in Afghanistan is at an all-time high in a new national poll. Fifty-seven percent of Americans questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Tuesday say they oppose the U.S. war in Afghanistan, with 42 percent supporting the military mission.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;57% of Americans oppose the war.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span&gt;57% of &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Independents &lt;/span&gt;oppose the war.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But that's not exactly the picture you get from the media, is it?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On yesterday's &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Meet the Press&lt;/span&gt;, which was devoted in large part to "debating" the war, 100% of the panelists supported it.  (The other half of the show was devoted to "debating" health care, in which 75% to 100% of the panelists opposed the public option.   A majority of Americans &lt;a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/20/new-poll-77-percent-suppo_n_264375.html"&gt;support&lt;/a&gt; the public option.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Liberal media, my ass.  Not only are liberal views not represented even when a majority of Americans hold them, they're not even treated by the media as "serious" or "legitimate" views to hold.  To be taken seriously by the media, you have to be a hawk and a fiscal conservative.  Socially, you can be a little more liberal.  As long as you favor war and limiting social spending, of course.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/09/07/mtp/index.html"&gt;Greenwald&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Yesterday, Meet the Press hosted a panel discussion to debate two primary issues:  (1) foreign policy -- specifically, the war in Afghanistan, and (2) health care.  The panel:  Rudy Giuliani, Tom Friedman, Harold Ford, Jr., and Tom Brokaw (as Jay Rosen often notes, Meet the Press is doing a fantastic job of fulfilling its pledge to present "fresh voices" in its discussions).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With regard to Afghanistan, there is a major debate currently taking place about whether we should stay in that country.  A majority of Americans now opposes the war.  But there was not a single participant there who shares that view.  All of them believe that it is imperative we remain, and put on their little General hats to exchange deeply Serious analyses of how we need to adjust our strategy and tactics for greater mission success.  Of course, all of three of those whose views were known about Iraq -- Friedman, Ford and Giuliani -- were vehement supporters of the invasion.  As always, not only does support for that war not produce shame or even impair one's credibility and Seriousness, but the opposite is true:  having supported it is a prerequisite for being considered credible and Serious, which is why those are the only people -- still -- from whom we hear when it's time to convene Serious discussions of foreign policy.  What an odd filtering standard for The Liberal Media to use.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On health care, the same dynamic repeated itself.  The prime controversy in that debate is over the inclusion of a "public option," with large numbers of Americans supporting it.  Yet once again, not a single member of the panel advocated it (though David Axelrod was interviewed before the panel and paid lip service to the public option on his way to clearly signaling it would not be part of the ultimate plan).  Guiliani warned there would be no health care with a public option; Ford told his "liberal friends in Congress" that they will have to be disappointed by the outcome; Friedman insisted that Obama adopt the proposals of Mitt Romney and John McCain and ensure he has the support of centrist Republicans (Brokaw offered some mild pushback against the attempt to demonize the public option).   The words "single payer" were never spoken.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What you had with the health care discussion, just as was true with the Afghanistan debate and the lead-up to the Iraq War, is one that -- by design -- completely excluded any views to the "left" of DLC Chair Harold Ford, even where such views are held by large numbers of Americans.  With very rare exception, that is the spectrum of opinion typically allowed on Liberal Media shows like Meet the Press.  The Liberal Media doesn't even pretend to include liberal views.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-5154291934561774530?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/5154291934561774530/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=5154291934561774530&amp;isPopup=true' title='15 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/5154291934561774530'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/5154291934561774530'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/09/pop-quiz-what-percentage-of-americans.html' title='Pop Quiz: What Percentage of Americans Oppose The War In Afghanistan?'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>15</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-7990873185294453640</id><published>2009-09-03T13:27:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2009-09-03T13:43:31.318-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='keynes'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='economics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='crisis'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='chicago school'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='paul krugman'/><title type='text'>How Did Economists Get it So Wrong?</title><content type='html'>The introduction and conclusion of a &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/06/magazine/06Economic-t.html?&amp;pagewanted=all"&gt;long article&lt;/a&gt; by Paul Krugman in yesterday's NYT:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Few economists saw our current crisis coming, but this predictive failure was the least of the field’s problems. More important was the profession’s blindness to the very possibility of catastrophic failures in a market economy. During the golden years, financial economists came to believe that markets were inherently stable — indeed, that stocks and other assets were always priced just right. There was nothing in the prevailing models suggesting the possibility of the kind of collapse that happened last year. Meanwhile, macroeconomists were divided in their views. But the main division was between those who insisted that free-market economies never go astray and those who believed that economies may stray now and then but that any major deviations from the path of prosperity could and would be corrected by the all-powerful Fed. Neither side was prepared to cope with an economy that went off the rails despite the Fed’s best efforts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And in the wake of the crisis, the fault lines in the economics profession have yawned wider than ever. Lucas says the Obama administration’s stimulus plans are “schlock economics,” and his Chicago colleague John Cochrane says they’re based on discredited “fairy tales.” In response, Brad DeLong of the University of California, Berkeley, writes of the “intellectual collapse” of the Chicago School, and I myself have written that comments from Chicago economists are the product of a Dark Age of macroeconomics in which hard-won knowledge has been forgotten.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What happened to the economics profession? And where does it go from here?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[skip about four pages to the conclusion]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So here’s what I think economists have to do. First, they have to face up to the inconvenient reality that financial markets fall far short of perfection, that they are subject to extraordinary delusions and the madness of crowds. Second, they have to admit — and this will be very hard for the people who giggled and whispered over Keynes — that Keynesian economics remains the best framework we have for making sense of recessions and depressions. Third, they’ll have to do their best to incorporate the realities of finance into macroeconomics.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Many economists will find these changes deeply disturbing. It will be a long time, if ever, before the new, more realistic approaches to finance and macroeconomics offer the same kind of clarity, completeness and sheer beauty that characterizes the full neoclassical approach. To some economists that will be a reason to cling to neoclassicism, despite its utter failure to make sense of the greatest economic crisis in three generations. This seems, however, like a good time to recall the words of H. L. Mencken: “There is always an easy solution to every human problem — neat, plausible and wrong.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When it comes to the all-too-human problem of recessions and depressions, economists need to abandon the neat but wrong solution of assuming that everyone is rational and markets work perfectly. The vision that emerges as the profession rethinks its foundations may not be all that clear; it certainly won’t be neat; but we can hope that it will have the virtue of being at least partly right. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-7990873185294453640?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/7990873185294453640/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=7990873185294453640&amp;isPopup=true' title='20 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/7990873185294453640'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/7990873185294453640'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/09/how-did-economists-get-it-so-wrong.html' title='How Did Economists Get it So Wrong?'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>20</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-5230283063315572731</id><published>2009-09-02T13:56:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2009-09-02T14:23:23.006-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='intellectual dishonesty'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='hirhurim'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='biblical authorship'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='documentary hypothesis'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='rationalization'/><title type='text'>Rationalizing Belief: Or, I'd Love To Play Poker With Rabbi Gil Student</title><content type='html'>Rabbi Gil Student of Hirhurim, drawing from the seventh Harry Potter book, writes about belief in the face of incomplete evidence:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;This raises the question of what to do when you have inconclusive evidence. Should you follow the direction of the preponderance of evidence, even if you know that you are missing significant pieces to the puzzle? Should you remain without an opinion? Or should you choose whichever outcome you want, as long as it can somehow fit in with the evidence currently available?&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course you should follow the preponderance of the evidence!  How is that even a question?  Obviously I'm aware that people choose to believe what they prefer to believe, but I didn't realize people were conscious of doing it, let alone rationalizing it explicitly.  Kudos to Rabbi Student for being more self-aware and open about it than most, but really, how can you live like that?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Rabbi Student then shifts from Harry Potter's fictional dilemma to a real-life one faced by educated, open-minded Orthodox people everywhere:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Another area in which this dilemma arises is that of belief in theological principles. For example, the Divine authorship of the Pentateuch. Evidence from biblical criticism and related fields indicate that the Pentateuch was written by different people. However, an honest observer will admit that the evidence is not completely conclusive, and perhaps can never be when discussing the authorship of a text thousands of years old.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If the current preponderance of evidence points to human authorship, must we accept that conclusion? Or can we choose which position to believe, since either can somehow fit within all the evidence? Or should we retain the traditional belief of Divine authorship and dismiss new findings as either incorrect or explainable?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The message of Harry Potter is that there is no reliable method. Until we have all of the information, even the preponderance of evidence might be misleading. There might be some significant mising piece of information that will entirely change the picture.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Where does that leave us? Should we believe that vampires exist because they have not been conclusively proven to not exist? What about spontaneously generating lice? At what point do our beliefs become ridiculously irrational? What we have to say is that there comes a point, which cannot be objectively determined, when the evidence becomes overwhelming. We do not need 100% confirmation. At some point we have enough pieces of the puzzle that the conclusion is clear and we cannot ignore it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Has the issue of human authorship of the Pentateuch reached a level of overwhelming evidence? I certainly don't think so, and I have written a number of posts on that subject. The message of Harry Potter is that when there is uncertainty then &lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;within the realm of rationally viable possibilities you are free to choose which to believe based on emotion (i.e. non-rational) reasons.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, as &lt;a href="http://modernorthoprax.blogspot.com/2009/09/epistemic-uncertainty-of-gil-student.html"&gt;XGH&lt;/a&gt; points out, clearly you are "free" to choose what to believe in the sense that there's no rule out there requiring one to base beliefs on evidence.  But if you make a pattern out of choosing beliefs contrary to the preponderance of evidence, the law of averages says that you're going to be wrong more than you're right.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Or, to put it another way, I'd love to play poker with Gil!  Even when the preponderance of evidence tells him that he has the worst hand, he might just choose to believe the opposite and bet all his money -- after all "there might be some significant missing piece of information that will entirely change the picture!"&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-5230283063315572731?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/5230283063315572731/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=5230283063315572731&amp;isPopup=true' title='9 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/5230283063315572731'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/5230283063315572731'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/09/rationalizing-belief-or-id-love-to-play.html' title='Rationalizing Belief: Or, I&apos;d Love To Play Poker With Rabbi Gil Student'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>9</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-3428844583775256110</id><published>2009-08-27T10:38:00.005-04:00</published><updated>2009-08-27T13:25:20.478-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='aish hatorah'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='judaism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='jews for jesus'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='kiruv'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='missionaries'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='christianity'/><title type='text'>Jewish Missionaries Outraged at Christian Missionaries</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.aish.com/jw/s/54279842.html"&gt;This article&lt;/a&gt; (via &lt;a href="http://www.jewcy.com/post/big_aish_denounces_missionaries%E2%80%99_%E2%80%9Cdeception_and_slick_marketing_appeal_uninformed_jews%E2%80%9D"&gt;Jewcy&lt;/a&gt; via &lt;a href="http://offthed.blogspot.com/"&gt;OTD&lt;/a&gt;) is fascinating:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The Seed, like all messianic Jewish congregations, used deception and slick marketing to appeal to uninformed Jews, attempting to convince them that it is Jewish to believe in Jesus.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As David Kelsey at Jewcy points out, that same sentence with some minor changes fits Aish Hatorah -- the organization hosting this article! -- to a tee:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Aish HaTorah, like all kiruv congregations, used deception and slick marketing to appeal to uninformed Jews, attempting to convince them that Orthodox Judaism is true.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Kelsey also points to an &lt;a href="http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2009/08/exclusive-aish-hatorah-masks-involvement-of-online-jewish-university-meant-to-lure-unwitting-students-to-orthodoxy-345.html"&gt;example&lt;/a&gt; of deception and slick marketing used by Aish HaTorah.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Aish's lack of self-awareness is only part of the attraction for this article.  We also get to see how one of these organizations views the threat of another:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;All of this raised the ire of Chaim Feinberg, z"l, a young, fiery Orthodox Jew living in Albany's small Orthodox community. He brought his concerns to Scott Moskowitz, an active member of the Orthodox Jewish student's group at SUNYA. Scott, in turn, raised the issue with Rich and suggested that they endeavor to find a non-Jewish student to join the Seed to investigate its inner workings and tactics.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why a non-Jewish student?  Because Aish knows first-hand how effective missionary techniques can be.  Truth, reason, empiricism, all irrelevant.  Because Aish knows that with missionary work, the important thing is which organization gets the most face-time with you.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Deciding that finding a non-Jew for the job would be too hard, Rich himself (a Reform Jew) volunteers.  Feinberg and Moskowitz, though, were worried.  After consulting with a "reknowned" (but anonymous) rabbi agreed with the plan, but established some "strict ground rules":&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;These rules included the instruction that Rich was not to take a single move without Feinberg's approval, and that after each meeting with The Seed, Rich would need to sit and learn with Feinberg as a sort of deprogramming.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So "learning" with a "fiery, young Orthodox Jew" is DE-programming??&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The lack of self-awareness continues:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;During that first phone call, Rich and Pastor Birnbaum spent two hours talking. Rich laid the bait: he was lonely, Albany was so gloomy, everybody was so materialistic, he was a twice-a-year Jew who yearned for more spirituality. Birnbaum did not just take the bait, he gobbled it up voraciously. He told Rich that he knew exactly how he felt since he, too, had attended college in Albany.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Is that not the same story given to dozens of chabad rabbis and other kiruv professionals every day?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;More on the "deprogramming":&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Rich was in constant contact with Feinberg, nearly matching hour for hour the time he spent with The Seed -- deprogramming, learning together, and reporting on the tactics, inner workings, and funding structure of the Seed. At one point Larry Levy, then executive director of Jews for Judaism in Baltimore, was flown in to add his expertise to the deprogramming team working with Rich.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The story goes on from there, with Rich ultimately and triumphantly calling out the Seed organization from the stage of a Purim play "because a Jew is a Jew and never a Christian!"  The press gets the story, and Seed ultimately falls apart.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Typically, the story would end there.  But Aish apparently wanted to highlight their spectacular lack of self-awareness in the funniest way possible:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Rich had always toyed with the idea of spending junior year abroad and now the idea seemed perfect. He enrolled in Hebrew University. After a few weeks at Hebrew U, the seed of Torah that had been planted in Albany and watered by Chaim Feinberg began sprouting. Why did I travel halfway around the world to study the same things I had been studying in Albany? Rich wondered. What am I doing in the spiritual capital of the world without tapping into anything spiritual?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By the end of September, Rich had enrolled in Aish HaTorah.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;King Solomon teaches us "There is a time to plant and a time to uproot that which has been planted." Sometimes, it seems, by uprooting what has been planted, a person also plants anew. While The Seed of Abraham has been relegated to the dustbin of history, Rich Maisel and his family are living a blossoming Torah life.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;UPDATE: A "Messianic Jew" &lt;a href="http://roshpinaproject.wordpress.com/2009/08/24/rosh-pina-project-responds-to-aish-scare-story/"&gt;responds&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-3428844583775256110?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/3428844583775256110/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=3428844583775256110&amp;isPopup=true' title='12 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/3428844583775256110'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/3428844583775256110'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/08/jewish-missionaries-outraged-at.html' title='Jewish Missionaries Outraged at Christian Missionaries'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>12</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-2115179141129031681</id><published>2009-08-25T12:31:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2009-08-25T12:46:50.428-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodoxy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='meme'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='parenting'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='leaving orthodoxy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='going off the derech'/><title type='text'>A Question I'd Like to Hear Orthodox Bloggers Discuss</title><content type='html'>Your son, a sweet, well-behaved boy, comes to you at age 16 and tells you he does not believe in Orthodox Judaism.  He says that while of course he will not violate the laws of shabbat or kashrut in your home, he no longer wants to attend religious schools or participate in davening.  He'd like to attend a secular school and start hanging out with non-religious and non-Jewish teens.  He doesn't want to wear a kippah any more, either.  You can tell that he is speaking from a place of integrity and genuine soul-searching, and you can also tell that his mind is made up.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Do you force him to stick it out in the Orthodox school?  Coerce him into continuing to daven as long as he's living in your house?  Make him promise to keep kosher and shabbos even outside the house?  Forbid him from taking his kippah off at least while any of your friends, family, or neighbors might see?  Or do you accept his wishes and support his choices, much as they pain you?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I've never seen an honest discussion about what to do when your kids go off the derech other than discussions about how to get them to stay or utter denial that it's even possible in your family.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It would be great if this became a meme that went through the Orthodox blogging community.  I'll start by tagging &lt;a href="http://serandez.blogspot.com/"&gt;Ezzie&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://curiousjew.blogspot.com/"&gt;Chana&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://dovbear.blogspot.com/"&gt;DovBear&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://orthoprax.blogspot.com/"&gt;Orthoprax&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href="http://wolfishmusings.blogspot.com/"&gt;BrooklynWolf&lt;/a&gt;.  Please tag some others in your replies.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jewish Philosopher: Don't bother.  We know you'd chain your kid to the radiator and try to beat the devil out of him.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-2115179141129031681?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/2115179141129031681/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=2115179141129031681&amp;isPopup=true' title='35 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/2115179141129031681'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/2115179141129031681'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/08/question-id-like-to-hear-orthodox.html' title='A Question I&apos;d Like to Hear Orthodox Bloggers Discuss'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>35</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-5218366419839686675</id><published>2009-08-17T11:59:00.003-04:00</published><updated>2009-08-17T12:05:04.375-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='undocumented workers'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='immigration'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='economics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='racism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='illegal immigration'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='republicans'/><title type='text'>CATO Institute Finds $180 Billion Benefit to Legalizing Illegal Immigrants</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://washingtonindependent.com/55152/cato-institute-finds-180-billion-benefit-to-legalizing-illegal-immigrants"&gt;The Washington Independent&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;A new study from the libertarian CATO Institute concludes that legalizing the more than eight million undocumented workers in the United States would have significant economic benefits for the country, while simply enhancing border enforcement and applying restrictive immigration laws would actually hurt the U.S. economically.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The new report, written by Professor Peter B. Dixon and Research Fellow Maureen T. Rimmer at the Centre of Policy Studies at Monash University in Australia, relies on an economic model used by the U.S. Departments of Commerce, Agriculture, and Homeland Security, as well as International Trade Commission.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Weighing public spending and revenues, U.S. employment rates in various occupations, and price levels for imports and exports, among other things, the authors conclude that “increased enforcement and reduced low-skilled immigration have a significant negative impact on the income of U.S. households.” The minimal savings in public spending on immigrants now “would be more than offset by losses in economic output and job opportunities for more skilled American workers.” A policy that reduces low-skilled immigration to about a third less than projected levels, then, over ten years, “would reduce U.S. household welfare by about 0.5 percent, or $80 billion.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In contrast, “legalization of low-skilled immigrant workers would yield significant income gains for American workers and households,” the study found. Legalization would eliminate the costs of smuggling illegal immigrants, would allow immigrants to be more productive and openly participate in the economy, and it would “create more openings for Americans in higher skilled occupations.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The overall positive impact for U.S. households of legalizing these workers over ten years would be “1.27 percent of GDP or $180 billion.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The findings are consistent with previous studies that show economic benefits from the legalization of illegal workers.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why is "amnesty" such a bad word among the Republican base again?  I'm sure it's got &lt;a href="http://serandez.blogspot.com/2009/08/truth-comes-out-we-are-bunch-of-racists.html"&gt;nothing to do with racism&lt;/a&gt;, Holy Hyrax.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Hat tip: &lt;a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/08/the-value-of-legalizing-the-undocumented.html"&gt;Patrick Appel&lt;/a&gt;, filling in for Andrew Sullivan.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Previously: &lt;a href="http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2007/06/on-immigration-why-i-favor-amnesty.html"&gt;On Immigration: Why I Favor Amnesty&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-5218366419839686675?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/5218366419839686675/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=5218366419839686675&amp;isPopup=true' title='16 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/5218366419839686675'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/5218366419839686675'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/08/cato-institute-finds-180-billion.html' title='CATO Institute Finds $180 Billion Benefit to Legalizing Illegal Immigrants'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>16</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-1594744717330660706</id><published>2009-08-12T09:51:00.004-04:00</published><updated>2009-08-17T11:59:32.318-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='israel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='insanity'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='prayer'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='jews'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox judaism'/><title type='text'>Airborne Rabbis Fight Off Swine Flu</title><content type='html'>(Video removed because it auto-plays.  See it at the link.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8196807.stm#"&gt;BBC&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;A group of rabbis and Jewish mystics have taken to the skies over Israel, praying and blowing ceremonial trumpets to ward off swine flu.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;About 50 religious leaders circled over the country on Monday, chanting prayers and blowing the horns called "shofars".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The flight's aim was "to stop the pandemic so people will stop dying from it," Rabbi Yitzhak Batzri was quoted as saying in Yedioth Aharanot newspaper.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The flu is often referred to as H1N1 in Israel, where pigs are seen as unclean.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;While these are crazier-than-average Orthodox Jews, I can't say the scene looks much different from the average prayer service at my yeshiva in Israel... except for the plane, of course.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sometimes 60 seconds of video speaks louder than volumes of intellectual argument.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-1594744717330660706?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/1594744717330660706/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=1594744717330660706&amp;isPopup=true' title='14 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/1594744717330660706'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/1594744717330660706'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/08/airborne-rabbis-fight-off-swine-flu.html' title='Airborne Rabbis Fight Off Swine Flu'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>14</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-3603233972042299867</id><published>2009-08-11T14:15:00.003-04:00</published><updated>2009-08-11T14:31:26.571-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='obama'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='bailout'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='yglesias'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='debate'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='health care'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='paulsen'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='democrats'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='stimulus'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='republicans'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='paul krugman'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='democracy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='economy'/><title type='text'>Big Government and the Bailouts Saved the Day</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/10/opinion/10krugman.html?_r=1&amp;partner=rss&amp;emc=rss"&gt;Krugman&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;So it seems that we aren’t going to have a second Great Depression after all. What saved us? The answer, basically, is Big Government.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Just to be clear: the economic situation remains terrible, indeed worse than almost anyone thought possible not long ago...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For all that, however, the latest flurry of economic reports suggests that the economy has backed up several paces from the edge of the abyss...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So what saved us from a full replay of the Great Depression? The answer, almost surely, lies in the very different role played by government...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Probably the most important aspect of the government’s role in this crisis isn’t what it has done, but what it hasn’t done: unlike the private sector, the federal government hasn’t slashed spending as its income has fallen...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In addition to having this “automatic” stabilizing effect, the government has stepped in to rescue the financial sector. You can argue (and I would) that the bailouts of financial firms could and should have been handled better, that taxpayers have paid too much and received too little. Yet it’s possible to be dissatisfied, even angry, about the way the financial bailouts have worked while acknowledging that without these bailouts things would have been much worse.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The point is that this time, unlike in the 1930s, the government didn’t take a hands-off attitude while much of the banking system collapsed. And that’s another reason we’re not living through Great Depression II.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Last and probably least, but by no means trivial, have been the deliberate efforts of the government to pump up the economy. From the beginning, I argued that the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, a k a the Obama stimulus plan, was too small. Nonetheless, reasonable estimates suggest that around a million more Americans are working now than would have been employed without that plan — a number that will grow over time — and that the stimulus has played a significant role in pulling the economy out of its free fall.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All in all, then, the government has played a crucial stabilizing role in this economic crisis. Ronald Reagan was wrong: sometimes the private sector is the problem, and government is the solution.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And aren’t you glad that right now the government is being run by people who don’t hate government?&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/08/more-than-one-way-to-save-an-economy.php"&gt;Yglesias&lt;/a&gt; points out that "“bailouts saved the economy” and “bailouts were structured so as to be very favorable to politically influential financiers” are not exclusive options."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think that's right.  The stimulus worked, but it could have worked better if it had been targeted solely at... stimulus, and less at, oh, say Goldman Sachs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If there are any responsible Republicans left, please take lessons from this for the healthcare debate.  You can't stop it, like you couldn't stop the stimulus.  (In fact you shouldn't stop it, like you shouldn't have stopped the stimulus.)  But if instead of fearmongering and holding your breath and throwing tantrums, you direct your opposition to things that actually should be opposed, you could affect positive change.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With regard to the stimulus, you could have held your fire, not smeared Obama as Stalin-incarnate, not ridiculed the very idea of stimulus, and instead insisted on making sure that the stimulus was as trim and directed as possible.  Oh, you'll say you did argue against some of the waste and misdirected funds, and of course you did, but that was lost among the greater lunacy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now you have an opportunity to make sure that the health care plan does what it sets out to do rather than rewarding corporate interests at the expense of everybody else.  But you've got to stop lying about everything, smearing Obama as a socialist, pretending that Obama's coming for grandma, insisting that government can never do good, and generally engaging in fearmongering.  Instead, be a responsible opposition party.  The Dems put forward a plan, respond with the same plan slightly improved.  Stay on message.  Say you support the plan, but you want to include tort reform.  Or you want less money for X and more for Y.  You can do that.  If you put all your energy on making the plan better and none of it on insanity, you could not only cause a better health care plan, but take great strides in restoring a civil democracy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Or you can scream "Socialism" and tear at your hair and have to live with whatever the Democrats manage to ram through without your help.  Your choice.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-3603233972042299867?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/3603233972042299867/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=3603233972042299867&amp;isPopup=true' title='23 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/3603233972042299867'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/3603233972042299867'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/08/big-government-and-bailouts-saved-day.html' title='Big Government and the Bailouts Saved the Day'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>23</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-6186076803155462454</id><published>2009-08-10T13:45:00.007-04:00</published><updated>2009-08-10T14:04:52.007-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='afghanistan'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='vietnam'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='strategy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='obama'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='foreign policy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='war'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='COIN'/><title type='text'>War in Afghanistan Getting Bigger; Still Pointless</title><content type='html'>Walter Pincus &lt;a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/08/AR2009080802283.html?hpid=topnews"&gt;reports&lt;/a&gt; in the Washington Post:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;As the Obama administration expands U.S. involvement in Afghanistan, military experts are warning that the United States is taking on security and political commitments that will last at least a decade and a cost that will probably eclipse that of the Iraq war.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mark Lynch &lt;a href="http://lynch.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/08/10/afghanistan_strategy_debate"&gt;wonders why&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt; &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;I find the strategic rationale for escalating the war in Afghanistan extremely thin, and the mismatch between avowed aims and available resources frighteningly wide&lt;/span&gt;.  What are the strategic reasons for expanding the commitment in Afghanistan?  Why should the US be committing to a project of armed state building now, in 2009?  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I hope that the argument isn't that it's to prevent al-Qaeda from reconstituting itself in the Afghan safe havens.  That's a fool's game.  It makes sense to keep the pressure on al-Qaeda, but does that require "armed state building"?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Suppose the U.S. succeeded beyond all its wildest expectations, and turned Afghanistan into Nirvana on Earth&lt;/span&gt;...  &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;So what?&lt;/span&gt; Al-Qaeda (or what we call al-Qaeda) could easily migrate to Somalia, to Yemen, deeper into Pakistan, into the Caucasas, into Africa --- into a near infinite potential pool of ungoverned or semi-governed spaces with potentially supportive environments.  Are we to commit the United States to bringing effective governance and free wireless to the entire world?  On whose budget?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;I fear that the escalation of the war in Afghanistan is following a dangerous path of least resistance.&lt;/span&gt;  Given the assignment to win the war in Afghanistan, of course a military w&lt;span&gt;hich has been reshaped by its experience in Iraq will turn to COIN doctrine.  Once the decision is made to apply a COIN approach, of course the military is going to ask for more troops there, and a long commitment, since it's always been obvious that really doing COIN in Afghanistan would require vastly more troops than are currently deployed. &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt; And then, at each step of the way, there will be a strong tactical argument for expansion and a very difficult sell for any attempt to argue for restraint.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; Once that iron logic has been accepted, all else follows -- and it becomes extremely difficult to reverse course.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Links via &lt;a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/08/first_time_as_tragedy_second_t.html"&gt;Ezra Klein&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Previously: &lt;a href="http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/03/obama-is-wrong-on-afghanistan.html"&gt;Obama Is Wrong On Afghanistan&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-6186076803155462454?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/6186076803155462454/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=6186076803155462454&amp;isPopup=true' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/6186076803155462454'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/6186076803155462454'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/08/war-in-afghanistan-getting-bigger-still.html' title='War in Afghanistan Getting Bigger; Still Pointless'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-7509359056238532433</id><published>2009-08-03T08:32:00.005-04:00</published><updated>2009-08-03T08:42:51.544-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='homosexuality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='bible'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='suffering'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='torah'/><title type='text'>Homosexuality and Orthodoxy</title><content type='html'>Chana writes &lt;a href="http://curiousjew.blogspot.com/2009/08/firebrand.html"&gt;a story&lt;/a&gt; about an Orthodox Jew with a secret:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;“During my year in Israel, I hated myself.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The words hung in the air, sharp as knives. She saw them before her, printed black on white, strung together on a silver shred of barbed wire. “Why?” she questioned softly, tentatively, tucking her legs up underneath her.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“Because I’m gay.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The words shocked her. They ripped through her body, confusing her; it was almost as though she had not heard correctly. It was totally impossible. He was involved in so many committees, had so many friends; he had dated her friends, for God’s sake! And he wanted to become a Rabbi! How could he be gay? And how could she, Lisa, know someone who was gay? “Oh, Jason,” she mustered, her eyes clouding over in confusion and pain.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“And I hated myself for it. I hated myself like you wouldn’t believe, Lisa. I literally wanted to rip it out of me, kill it. See, there’s a certain eroticism you feel at any naked body, but when I look at a woman, it’s just- I don’t want that. That’s not what I want. But a man- a man gets me excited. I want men.” His voice was thick with hatred and disgust. “And I didn’t want to want them. But you have no idea the images that swam through my mind, the things I thought, and here I was, in high school- because yes, it started before Israel, but it was when I was finally away from home that I could really think it through-and there were guys that I had crushes on. I mean, I tried to wipe that off as no big deal and no big thing; I had one friend and I finally told him and he broke my heart.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The words were said in a rush, as though he was struggling to get them off his chest. “I just told him I was gay and he was my roommate and he was completely freaked out. I had thought we were best friends; our friendship would withstand anything. I was wrong.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“But Jason,” Lisa whispered, her voice very low, “are you absolutely…sure?”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“Sure?” He laughed. “You have no idea. I went to JONAH and those therapists who are supposed to turn you straight. I wanted to be straight, Lisa; I wanted to be! And I would do all those things, even put rubber bands on my wrists that I would flick every time I thought of a guy that way, to try to remind myself. I wanted to control my mind. And I even watched porn, of girls, to try to get myself excited. And obviously I dated girls and I just- I just don’t like them like that. I can’t get aroused for them, because of them. And can you imagine what that would be like, marrying a woman and wanting to love her and just not being able to get it up for her? Only able to do it if I think about men?” He shook his head; his expression was filled with self-loathing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“What are you going to do?” she asked. Confusion whipped through her, feelings that she was unsure of; she didn’t know what to say or what to do, how to help. What could she do? The law existed apart from them both and the law was greater than them both. The law took precedence over them and their lives; God had stated that a man could not lie with a man as he did with a woman. And yet, and yet- this was Jason she was speaking to, her Jason, the man she loved like a brother.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Chana is sensitive and intelligent.  And yet she's part of the source of Jason's suffering.  All the Orthodox are.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here was my response:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;My heart goes out to people like Jason. And I feel anger for those who support the religion that does this to them. I mean, I understand. I know they mean no harm. (At least some of them don't, anyway. I mean "Jason" himself believes.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But it's so unnecessary. There's nothing wrong with being gay. You know that intuitively, Chana. Jason knows it too, I hope.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thousands of gay people form happy gay relationships and families and it's just not that big a deal.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I've known a few Jewish-but-not-Orthodox gay men who simply realize that they're gay sometime in their childhood or teens and then it's just not that big a deal. Their families support them unconditionally, they are completely open about their orientation, and they find nice guys to settle down with.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;No drama, no tears, no anguished struggle, no hating friends, no rabbis who try to "help" with ridiculous "cures," no shunning from parents or community. Just normal. Just like you and me when we find somebody we like. People are just happy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That's how it can be. That's how it should be. God didn't write the Torah, people did. You gasp, that's kefirah, but it's the clear and obvious truth to anybody who didn't grow up Orthodox or otherwise fundamentalist.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination... For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Those are not the words of the creator of the universe. Those are the words of some guy living in ancient Israel, or perhaps they are borrowed from someone living earlier than that. They weren't written by God, and everybody outside the Orthodox (and other fundamentalist) circles knows it. The non-fundamentalist scholars know it and the laypeople know it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All you Orthodox people who think you don't have to read about the Documentary Hypothesis or even seriously think about whether what you believe is actually true because you're happy with your religion -- you share some blame for these tragedies that go on every day in America and throughout the world.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you've honestly investigated the truth and continue to believe that Orthodox Judaism is correct, okay, you've got to stand up for what you believe in. I get that. But if you're one of the majority who just loves being Orthodox or is too scared to look, you bear responsibility.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Don't just shake your heads at the tough position people like Jason are in. You're part of the problem. Do your research, honestly, and if you find out what the rest of the intellectual world already knows, have the courage to say so.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Previously:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/03/gay-closeted-yu-student-speaks-out.html"&gt;A Gay, Closeted YU Student Speaks Out (Anonymously)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2006/01/who-wrote-bible.html"&gt;Who Wrote the Bible?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/05/great-example-of-intellectual-honesty.html"&gt;Great Example of Intellectual Honesty&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2005/05/how-orthodoxy-causes-good-men-to-do.html"&gt;How Orthodoxy Causes Good Men To Do Evil&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-7509359056238532433?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/7509359056238532433/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=7509359056238532433&amp;isPopup=true' title='79 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/7509359056238532433'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/7509359056238532433'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/08/homosexuality-and-orthodoxy.html' title='Homosexuality and Orthodoxy'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>79</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-9049309520670854008</id><published>2009-07-23T15:11:00.006-04:00</published><updated>2009-07-23T15:40:04.421-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='intellectual dishonesty'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='intellectual honesty'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='censorship'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='blinders'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='chizuk'/><title type='text'>BeyondBT Now Censoring Names and Links</title><content type='html'>&lt;blockquote&gt;The cure for a fallacious argument is a better argument, not the supression of ideas. -- Carl Sagan, The Demon Haunted World&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It used to be that my favorite &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;baal teshuva&lt;/span&gt; blog &lt;a href="http://www.beyondbt.com/?p=1260"&gt;BeyondBT&lt;/a&gt; would let some of my comments in, assuming I wasn't actively arguing for atheism, etc.  Now they won't even do that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In response to Tuesday's post in which a guest contributor asked the question &lt;a href="http://www.beyondbt.com/?p=1260"&gt;How Can The Average Orthodox Jew Achieve Kiddush HaShem and Reduce Chillul Hashem?&lt;/a&gt; I posted the following comment (paraphrased from memory) which could not be less objectionable:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;One of my favorite quotes from a rabbi:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"I wanted to change the world, but I realized it was too large of a task for one person, so I tried to change my community. That was also too hard, so I tried to change my family. That was also too hard, so I decided to try and change myself. And though it was very hard, I finally changed myself. And once I changed myself, I discovered my family changed, the community changed, and the entire world changed." - R' Israel Lipkin Salanter&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(The quote has long been one of my favorites.  Googling for the exact quote, I found it on blog-friend Ezzie's &lt;a href="http://serandez.blogspot.com/2007/05/quotes-to-live-by.html"&gt;blog&lt;/a&gt;!)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It a quote from a rabbi, directly on point and not remotely subversive.  I figured it would probably get through the moderators.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But no.  I received a polite email saying that the comment was appreciated, but could I please change my name and remove the link to my blog?  I wrote back saying that this is the name I respond to blogs with and the link is a link to my blog and I wasn't comfortable changing either one.  They wrote back "ok" and then deleted the comment.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Blogs for people joining Orthodox Judaism hide opposing points of view from their readers.  Blogs for people leaving Orthodox Judaism link to both supporting and opposing points of view.  We think our arguments can hold up if allowed to compete.  They think it's better to hide.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That's been pretty much my experience in the real world, too.  Skeptics are excited to debate (when they're not afraid of repercussions for "outing" themselves.)  Believers tend to become uncomfortable and defensive if you even hint that something they believe might not be true.  Skeptics devour arguments from both sides.  Most believers stick to arguments for conclusions they prefer. (They call this "chizuk," or "strengthening," as if "strengthening" a belief is a good thing.)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-9049309520670854008?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/9049309520670854008/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=9049309520670854008&amp;isPopup=true' title='111 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/9049309520670854008'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/9049309520670854008'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/07/beyondbt-now-censoring-names-and-links.html' title='BeyondBT Now Censoring Names and Links'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>111</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-5040101738872161408</id><published>2009-07-23T14:58:00.005-04:00</published><updated>2009-07-23T15:06:28.770-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='birthers'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='obama'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='right-wing media'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='birth certificate'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='racism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='lou dobbs'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='conspiracy theorists'/><title type='text'>Jon Stewart on the "Birthers"</title><content type='html'>This is great:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;table style='font:11px arial; color:#333; background-color:#f5f5f5' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='0' width='360' height='353'&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr style='background-color:#e5e5e5' valign='middle'&gt;&lt;td style='padding:2px 1px 0px 5px;'&gt;&lt;a target='_blank' style='color:#333; text-decoration:none; font-weight:bold;' href='http://www.thedailyshow.com'&gt;The Daily Show With Jon Stewart&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style='padding:2px 5px 0px 5px; text-align:right; font-weight:bold;'&gt;Mon - Thurs 11p / 10c&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr style='height:14px;' valign='middle'&gt;&lt;td style='padding:2px 1px 0px 5px;' colspan='2'&gt;&lt;a target='_blank' style='color:#333; text-decoration:none; font-weight:bold;' href='http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-22-2009/the-born-identity'&gt;The Born Identity&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr style='height:14px; background-color:#353535' valign='middle'&gt;&lt;td colspan='2' style='padding:2px 5px 0px 5px; width:360px; overflow:hidden; text-align:right'&gt;&lt;a target='_blank' style='color:#96deff; text-decoration:none; font-weight:bold;' href='http://www.thedailyshow.com/'&gt;www.thedailyshow.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr valign='middle'&gt;&lt;td style='padding:0px;' colspan='2'&gt;&lt;embed style='display:block' src='http://media.mtvnservices.com/mgid:cms:item:comedycentral.com:239148' width='360' height='301' type='application/x-shockwave-flash' wmode='window' allowFullscreen='true' flashvars='autoPlay=false' allowscriptaccess='always' allownetworking='all' bgcolor='#000000'&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr style='height:18px;' valign='middle'&gt;&lt;td style='padding:0px;' colspan='2'&gt;&lt;table style='margin:0px; text-align:center' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='0' width='100%' height='100%'&gt;&lt;tr valign='middle'&gt;&lt;td style='padding:3px; width:33%;'&gt;&lt;a target='_blank' style='font:10px arial; color:#333; text-decoration:none;' href='http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes'&gt;Daily Show&lt;br/&gt; Full Episodes&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style='padding:3px; width:33%;'&gt;&lt;a target='_blank' style='font:10px arial; color:#333; text-decoration:none;' href='http://www.indecisionforever.com'&gt;Political Humor&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style='padding:3px; width:33%;'&gt;&lt;a target='_blank' style='font:10px arial; color:#333; text-decoration:none;' href='http://www.jokes.com'&gt;Joke of the Day&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's really despicable how right-wing media guys like Lou Dobbs and actual Congressman like John Campbell cater to these guys.  (Watch Chris Matthews &lt;a href="http://www.dailykostv.com/w/001958/"&gt;push for two minutes&lt;/a&gt; before Campbell finally admits that he believes Obama was born in the U.S.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How many people think that if Obama were a white man born in Hawaii to a British, Christian father that this would still be an issue for these "birthers?"&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-5040101738872161408?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/5040101738872161408/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=5040101738872161408&amp;isPopup=true' title='14 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/5040101738872161408'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/5040101738872161408'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/07/jon-stewart-on-birthers.html' title='Jon Stewart on the &quot;Birthers&quot;'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>14</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-5054624076798123170</id><published>2009-07-20T14:38:00.004-04:00</published><updated>2009-07-20T14:49:48.874-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='atheism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='debate'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='civility'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='religion'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='advocacy'/><title type='text'>In Defense of "Uncivil" Atheists</title><content type='html'>A reader of &lt;a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/07/dissent-of-the-day-4.html#more"&gt;The Daily Dish&lt;/a&gt; writes:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;I understand where you are coming from when you &lt;a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/07/im-an-atheist-but-ctd-1.html"&gt;say&lt;/a&gt;, "Atheists are much more likely to be ostracized for their beliefs, but that does not excuse incivility on their part." Even as an atheist, I get annoyed by many of the tactics of hardlined atheists and do wish for more civility in the discussion, but one has to realize that its incredibly hard to be an atheist and even the best of us have days where we can't bite our tongues. Surely as a gay person Andrew has had those moments where he just snapped at someone's homophobia.                 &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Most people are aware that admitting to atheism pretty much bars you from political office, immediately makes your patriotism suspect, can ruin friendships, families, and careers. For reasons of self-preservation, we're often compelled to live "in the closet". In some ways, its tempting to make parallels with other minorities that have been discriminated against over the years, be it based on gender, race, sexual preference, etc. But unlike those groups, we're not forbidden to vote, get married, buy houses, eat at the same restaurants, or any of the other rights other groups had to fight for.  In some ways, even I, as an atheist that has been discriminated against time and time again feel like maybe I don't really have any right to complain. But I am treated very differently, and very unfairly, and in a country where "all men are created equal" its time we put an end to that. But what is there to end?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are no real battles to be fought and won other than general acceptance. Laws about religion are already on the books. There are no acts of Congress that can alleviate the acts of discrimination we face. It is almost purely a battle of intangible social constructs. There are no equivalents to the marches against Prop 8 or riots against faulty elections. There are very few ways to channel the anger, sadness, and frustration of our discrimination.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Every atheist is bound to have a day just bad enough where they explode on some poor believer who pushes too hard and every atheist has felt at time that even the most accepting of believers is tacitly agreeing to the discrimination we face. Sure, I disapprove of many of the less civil tactics some of the more well-known atheists engage in, but I can't say that I don't understand what pushed them to that point. But, in the grander scheme of things, as a group we've yet to do anything as "uncivil" as Stonewall, or the riots we saw during the civil rights movement. Many of these acts are not only forgiven, but celebrated as reasonable responses in the face of discrimination, yet we're screamed at any time an atheist acts like a jerk on TV, writes something a bit testy on a website, or files the occasionally dumb lawsuit.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I dare say that in the history of discriminated groups in this country, atheists have been the most civil and with plenty of room to spare, yet still, we're told that its too much and that we need to calm down and scale it back a notch.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So no, I don't like the incivility some bring to the discussion, but if they didn't, would anyone even be talking about this issues? If everyone remained "civil" it'd get swept up under the rug like it always has in the past. Their incivility might not solve the problem, but it sheds enough of a spotlight on the subject to open a door for the civil conversations that need to happen. Without them I strongly believe the conversation would never happen at all.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As someone who has been guilty of incivility more than once, I agree.  Growing up in a society that equates religiosity with morality and patriotism and in a community that equates leaving Orthodoxy with disloyalty, dysfunction, and selfish hedonism and essentially pretends that we no longer exist and don't need to be taken seriously, it's hard not to lash out sometimes.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-5054624076798123170?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/5054624076798123170/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=5054624076798123170&amp;isPopup=true' title='21 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/5054624076798123170'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/5054624076798123170'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/07/in-defense-of-uncivil-atheists.html' title='In Defense of &quot;Uncivil&quot; Atheists'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>21</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-6542215363314601891</id><published>2009-07-19T11:30:00.007-04:00</published><updated>2009-07-19T11:37:31.553-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='propaganda'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='enablers'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='lapdogs'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='stenographers'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='government'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='what liberal media'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='media'/><title type='text'>Cronkite vs. Today's "Journalists"</title><content type='html'>Glenn Greenwald makes a &lt;a href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/07/18/cronkite/index.html"&gt;devastating comparison&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Walter Cronkite:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;     &lt;p&gt;"The Vietcong did not win by a knockout [in the Tet Offensive], but neither did we. The referees of history may make it a draw. . . . &lt;strong&gt;We have been too often disappointed by the optimism of the American leaders, both in Vietnam and Washington, to have faith any longer in the silver linings they find in the darkest clouds&lt;/strong&gt;. . . .&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p&gt;"For it seems now more certain than ever that the bloody experience of Vietnam is to end in a stalemate. . . . To say that we are closer to victory today is to believe, in the face of the evidence, the optimists who have been wrong in the past" -- &lt;a target="_blank" href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-mitchell/cronkites-1968-dissent-on_b_238788.html"&gt;Walter Cronkite, CBS Evening News, February 27, 1968&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;David Gregory:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"I think there are a lot of critics who think that [in the run-up to the Iraq War] . . . . if we did not stand up and say this is bogus, and you're a liar, and why are you doing this, that we didn't do our job. I respectfully disagree. &lt;strong&gt;It's not our role" --&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;a target="_blank" href="http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/28/david-gregory-rewrites-history-says-the-press-did-a-good-job-on-iraq/"&gt;David Gregory, MSNBC, May 28, 2008&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Greenwald:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Cronkite's best moment was when he did exactly that which the modern journalist today insists they must not ever do -- directly contradict claims from government and military officials and suggest that such claims should not be believed.  These days, our leading media outlets &lt;a target="_blank" href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/06/the-nyt-and-torture-a-brief-recent-history.html"&gt;won't even use words&lt;/a&gt; that are &lt;a href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/06/22/npr/"&gt;disapproved of by the Government&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the hours and hours of preening, ponderous, self-serving media tributes to Walter Cronkite, &lt;a target="_blank" href="http://www.newseum.org/news/news.aspx?item=nh_CRON090714_2"&gt;here is a clip you won't see&lt;/a&gt;, in which Cronkite -- when asked what is his biggest regret -- says (h/t &lt;a href="http://letters.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/07/18/cronkite/permalink/d107137391c9f3b7aff579857c6bd3a1.html"&gt;sysprog&lt;/a&gt;):&lt;blockquote&gt;     &lt;p&gt;What do I regret? Well, I regret that in our attempt to establish some standards, we didn't make them stick.  We couldn't find a way to pass them on to another generation.&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;It's impossible even to imagine the likes of Brian Williams, Tom Brokaw and friends interrupting their pompously baritone, melodramatic, self-glorifying exploitation of Cronkite's death to spend a second pondering what he meant by that.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-6542215363314601891?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/6542215363314601891/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=6542215363314601891&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/6542215363314601891'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/6542215363314601891'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/07/cronkite-vs-todays-journalists.html' title='Cronkite vs. Today&apos;s &quot;Journalists&quot;'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-5169839705840619224</id><published>2009-07-15T14:12:00.004-04:00</published><updated>2009-07-15T15:04:07.944-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='jilette'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='kosher'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='diet'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='story'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='leaving orthodoxy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='non-kosher'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='food'/><title type='text'>Former Orthodox Jew Tries Bacon For The First Time</title><content type='html'>I'd seen this video before, but never gotten around to posting it.  Thanks to an email correspondent known as Baruch Spinoza for bringing it back to my attention.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="560" height="340"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/LQibeLcoFr4&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1&amp;"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/LQibeLcoFr4&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1&amp;" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="560" height="340"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What a great story.  And so typical of Jewish guilt that a grown man with a wife and family still feels compelled to ask Jilette not to use his name so as not to upset his parents.  Orthodox parents are either the most fragile people in the world or they've evolved an incredibly manipulative defense mechanism against their kids' leaving Orthodoxy.  My money's on the latter.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I wish I had a great story about my first time eating non-kosher.  But this is how it was for me:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sometime in high school, I started eating vegetarian food that wasn't made under the supervision of a rabbi (and was indeed likely "contaminated" by non-kosher utensils and the proximity to non-kosher food.)  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I started with salads and graduated to french fries and desserts.  Nothing too exciting except for some delicious ice cream brownie sundaes and the ability to frequent and eat at some cool places.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The first time I ever ate non-kosher cheese, I got sick.  I was in college, and I went to the Hard Rock Cafe on a second or third date with a conservadox girl.  We shared a white pizza, which was delicious.  Later that evening, I threw up, a clear sign of either psychosomatic illness, coincidence, or divine retribution.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Either way, non-kosher cheese became a part of my diet with no further issues.  Non-kosher pizza became my go-to food when kosher food wasn't convenient and I also was able to partake in a couple of those pretentious yet delicious wine-and-cheese parties.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To this point, I'd branched out mainly out of convenience and so that I could socialize more freely with the sorts of people the rabbis wouldn't have wanted me to socialize with.  I'd become somewhat lax in my observance, obviously, but I hadn't yet made a real break with (de facto) Modern Orthodoxy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It wasn't for a few years that I had my first non-kosher meat.  By this point, I had stopped believing in Orthodox Judaism and it was just force of habit that was holding me back.  I'd long since stopped keeping shabbos and Subway tuna sandwiches (with cheese) were a fixture in my life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One Friday night when I had nothing to do (this was after I left the community in spirit but before I'd made many non-Orthodox friends) I went over to the mall to wander around and probably read Richard Dawkins books in the Barnes and Noble.  When I got hungry, I went down to the food court and for some reason, I decided this was the night.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I did not believe in God anymore, but the thought of eating non-kosher meat just felt so strange and wrong.  I did a complete circuit of the crappy restaurants in the food court trying to make up my mind and then I decided to just get it over with.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There was one of those Chinese places with the aggressive salespeople standing in front with tiny pieces of meat and chicken on toothpicks, trying to suck you in with a free sample.  I went straight to the closest one, took what she was offering, verified with her that it was chicken, and took a bite.  It tasted like chicken.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then I was able to sit down to my first really non-kosher meal.  Still no pork, no shellfish, and no mixing of milk and meat, but I polished off some General Tso's chicken and some beef with broccoli.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don't think I've ever had another tuna sub from Subway.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It was probably a year or two after that before I tried shellfish.  My non-Orthodox but Jewish girlfriend and I were at the beach and I decided it was time.  She hadn never eaten shellfish either, having grown up somewhat traditional and in a land-locked state, so we had to ask the waitress for directions on peeling and eating the steamed shrimp we ordered.  It was great, but peeling is a pain in the ass, so I tend to stick to pre-peeled shrimp these days.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Once that milestone was passed, I got to investigate the whole world of shellfish.  I love sushi, so I quickly discovered octopus (meh), squid (ok), crab (turns out that's usually fake), and various forms of eggs which could actually be kosher for all I know (love 'em for their texture and saltiness.)  I even discovered that eel (not a shellfish, but not kosher) is my favorite kind of sushi.  Fried shrimp and calamari became standard appetizers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sadly, I can't remember the first time I ate bacon, perhaps the tastiest of non-kosher foods.  I do remember sitting down to a big old ham steak (on, I believe, Christmas Eve at some resort) which was weird even after bacon and pork sausages had been added to my diet.  To this day, I'm a little skeeved out by ham.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway, that's my non-kosher food story.  Not as cool as sitting down with Penn and Teller and having them feed me every non-kosher food at once, but I definitely enjoyed (most of) the process.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Previously: &lt;a href="http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2006/04/jewish-atheists-top-ten-non-kosher.html"&gt;Jewish Atheist's Top Ten Non-Kosher Foods&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-5169839705840619224?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/5169839705840619224/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=5169839705840619224&amp;isPopup=true' title='10 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/5169839705840619224'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/5169839705840619224'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/07/former-orthodox-jew-tries-bacon-for.html' title='Former Orthodox Jew Tries Bacon For The First Time'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>10</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-893400705392357399</id><published>2009-07-13T17:16:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2009-07-13T17:18:32.165-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='support'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='parents'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='parenting'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='leaving'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='family'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='advice'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='children'/><title type='text'>Telling Your Parents You Don't Believe</title><content type='html'>&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/iXDy1gVcWCc&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1&amp;"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/iXDy1gVcWCc&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1&amp;" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Pretty sensible advice for a very difficult situation.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-893400705392357399?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/893400705392357399/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=893400705392357399&amp;isPopup=true' title='8 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/893400705392357399'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/893400705392357399'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/07/telling-your-parents-you-dont-believe.html' title='Telling Your Parents You Don&apos;t Believe'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>8</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-3710313298170115747</id><published>2009-07-06T09:55:00.005-04:00</published><updated>2009-07-06T11:32:13.881-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='cult-like behavior'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sheltering'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='manipulation'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='parenting'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='cult'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='shidduch'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='marriage'/><title type='text'>Get Them Married Young Or They'll Leave Orthodoxy!!!</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://lifeinisrael.blogspot.com/2009/07/unattached-video.html"&gt;RafiG&lt;/a&gt;, via &lt;a href="http://serandez.blogspot.com/2009/07/unattached.html"&gt;Ezzie&lt;/a&gt;, has this preview for a new documentary about the Orthodox singles scene in Manhattan:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="349"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/FdedukF_Bm8&amp;border=1&amp;color1=0x2b405b&amp;color2=0x6b8ab6&amp;hl=en&amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/FdedukF_Bm8&amp;border=1&amp;color1=0x2b405b&amp;color2=0x6b8ab6&amp;hl=en&amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" width="425" height="349"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The focus is mostly on the usual obvious "problem": boys and girls who grow up in single-sex environments and live in artificial communities and aren't allowed to be alone together or even touch don't have an easy time getting married by 22 or 23.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Those of you who did not grow up Orthodox will no doubt be thinking "22?  23?  WTF?  What's the rush?"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well here's your answer, from an honest Orthodox woman:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;When you don't get married young, you're likely to become less Orthodox&lt;/span&gt;.  Uh, they will start experimenting with different things, they will start meeting different people, they will be influenced in negative ways... Uh, they will have different values, and they will not turn out to have a family life and be as Orthodox.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;She's admitting that if you let these young adults, who have been sheltered from reality their entire lives, start to learn about themselves and the world, they're going to be less Orthodox.  She doesn't see this as an indication that perhaps something is wrong with Orthodoxy, but just as a problem to be avoided by any means necessary.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Her solution is appalling.  Get them married before they figure out who they are and what they want.  Get them married before they start wondering if there's any truth to this religion they've been indoctrinated with since birth.  Get them married before they have a chance to realize that what they've been taught about non-Jews and the non-Orthodox is not true.  Get them married before they start having normal relationships and realizing maybe they don't want to be with a kollel learner or the rosh yeshiva's daughter.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's possible that she believes that if they do get married young, they'll live happily ever after as Orthodox people.  But it's also possible that she simply realizes that once they get married, it's too late.  Once a person realizes that they don't want to be Orthodox anymore, they can't leave unless their spouse is on board.  (This happens -- Hi Avi! -- but based on what I see in the Jblogosphere, doesn't happen as often as one spouse having to keep his/her beliefs secret so as to not lose their marriage and possibly kids.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is just bad parenting (by the parents and by the community, &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;in loco parentis&lt;/span&gt;.)  It's control-freak parenting.  You want your kid to turn out exactly one way, so you hide from him all other ways and then trap him with marriage before he figures it out.  It's wrong and it's unhealthy.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's not even good religion -- what kind of religious people are you raising who are religious just because they never really had a choice?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What people should do -- what good parents everywhere do -- is raise their children to make informed decisions.  Teach them your values, give them the wisdom you've accumulated, but then let them grow into the adults they are rather than the adults you wanted them to be.  Children -- especially adult children -- are not your personal playthings.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you want your child to become a doctor but he's a gifted artist, do you forbid him from lifting a paintbrush?  Do you set up an entire community so that he can live his life without ever having a genuine conversation with a non-doctor?  Do you force him to study premed and then enroll in medical school?  Do you then take out the loans in his name so that he's stuck with a $200,000 debt he can only repay by becoming a doctor?  And then make sure he marries a woman who will only stay with a doctor?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You do if you're a control-freak parent.  If you're a good parent, you explain to your child why you think being a doctor would be good for him, and you share your concerns about living as a professional artist, but ultimately, you recognize that it's his life and if he doesn't want to be a doctor, it's probably not a good idea to manipulate him into becoming one anyway.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-3710313298170115747?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/3710313298170115747/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=3710313298170115747&amp;isPopup=true' title='44 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/3710313298170115747'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/3710313298170115747'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/07/get-them-married-young-or-theyll-leave.html' title='Get Them Married Young Or They&apos;ll Leave Orthodoxy!!!'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>44</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-2685806077618589041</id><published>2009-05-26T08:43:00.004-04:00</published><updated>2009-05-26T08:55:44.504-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='objective morality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='england'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='war'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='tony blair'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='religion'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='great britain'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='morality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='iraq'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='faith'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='politics'/><title type='text'>This War Has Nothing To Do With Religion, Part II</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/5373525/Tony-Blair-believed-God-wanted-him-to-go-to-war-to-fight-evil-claims-his-mentor.html"&gt;Tony Blair believed God wanted him to go to war to fight evil, claims his mentor&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;blockquote&gt;John Burton, Mr Blair's political agent in his Sedgefield constituency for 24 years, says that Labour's most successful ever leader – in terms of elections won – was driven by the belief that "good should triumph over evil".&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;"It's very simple to explain the idea of Blair the Warrior," he says. "It was part of Tony living out his faith."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mr Blair has previously admitted that he was influenced by his Christian faith, but Mr Burton reveals for the first time the strength of his religious zeal...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"But Tony's Christian faith is part of him, down to his cotton socks. He believed strongly at the time, that intervention in Kosovo, Sierra Leone – Iraq too – was all part of the Christian battle; good should triumph over evil, making lives better."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mr Burton, who was often described as Mr Blair's mentor, says that his religion gave him a "total belief in what's right and what's wrong", leading him to see the so-called War on Terror as "a moral cause".&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Funny, that's exactly what Random said in response to my claim that religiosity and hawkishness are linked: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Well, if we're going to blunt about it, we could say that the real overlap is between religiosity and a clear and firm sense of right and wrong, and in particular the idea that evil should be fought and not relativised into something acceptable.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yes, exactly.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And this is an interesting difference between the U.S. and Britain:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Mr Burton makes the comments in a book he has written, and which is published this week, called "We Don't Do God".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In it he portrays a prime minister determined to follow a Christian agenda despite attempts to silence him from talking about his faith.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"While he was at Number 10, Tony was virtually gagged on the whole question of religion," says Mr Burton.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Alastair [Campbell] was convinced it would get him into trouble with the voters...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Tony Blair complained in 2007 that he had been unable to talk about his faith while in office as he would have been perceived as "a nutter".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"It's difficult if you talk about religious faith in our political system," he said. "If you are in the American political system or others then you can talk about religious faith and people say 'yes, that's fair enough' and it is something they respond to quite naturally. You talk about it in our system and, frankly, people do think you're a nutter."&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In Britain being a religious nut is a liability while in America it's a requirement.  Either way, we ended up with religious nuts in both countries at the same time and, as a result, over a hundred thousand people are dead.  Yaaay God!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-2685806077618589041?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/2685806077618589041/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=2685806077618589041&amp;isPopup=true' title='103 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/2685806077618589041'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/2685806077618589041'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/05/this-war-has-nothing-to-do-with_26.html' title='This War Has Nothing To Do With Religion, Part II'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>103</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-5575057414724871203</id><published>2009-05-22T10:20:00.006-04:00</published><updated>2009-05-22T10:29:32.147-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='public discourse'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='alarmism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='linguistics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='propaganda'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='marketing'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='framing'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='discourse'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='republicans'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='politics'/><title type='text'>Republicans Continue to Elevate Level of Discourse</title><content type='html'>&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/mK4d0CseszQ&amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;color2=0xcfcfcf&amp;hl=en&amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/mK4d0CseszQ&amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;color2=0xcfcfcf&amp;hl=en&amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The Republican National Committee will conclude a special session with a much-anticipated vote on a resolution to re-brand the Democratic Party as the "Democrat Socialist Party."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;ANP senior producer Harry Hanbury roamed the RNC meeting with a camera and spoke with committeemen and state chairs to hear their thoughts on the vote and their ideas about both parties.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Via &lt;a href="http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/05/21/whig-watch-gop-debates-serious-issue-of-socialism/"&gt;Oliver Willis&lt;/a&gt;, via &lt;a href="http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/rncs-dumbathon-renaming-democrat-soclia"&gt;Crooks and Liars&lt;/a&gt;.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At this point, I might actually prefer them to call us the "Socialist Party" over the grammatically incorrect &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(phrase)"&gt;Democrat Party&lt;/a&gt; they've insisted on for the last century.  It would still highlight their immaturity but without grating on the ear as much.  I wonder if we can convince them to go with that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I like Willis's take, too: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;I should point out the equivalent of this would have been, in May of 2001, if the Democratic party convened and decided whether we would call the Republican party the Poophead Party or the Crappy Pants Party.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Funny, but it'd be more like if the Democrats got together and tried to pass a serious resolution "rebranding" the Republicans as the "Republican Nazi Party."&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-5575057414724871203?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/5575057414724871203/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=5575057414724871203&amp;isPopup=true' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/5575057414724871203'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/5575057414724871203'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/05/republicans-continue-to-elevate-level.html' title='Republicans Continue to Elevate Level of Discourse'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-4527103896110006342</id><published>2009-05-20T09:35:00.005-04:00</published><updated>2009-05-20T09:46:49.773-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='washington times'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='intellectual dishonesty'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ida'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='propaganda'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='fossils'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='creationism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='skepticism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='republicans'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='washington post'/><title type='text'>Bias in Action: Ida the Fossil</title><content type='html'>I wasn't going to post about this &lt;a href="http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&amp;q=ida+fossil&amp;um=1&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;ei=UAcUStHyF8WLtgf96MWQBA&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=news_group&amp;ct=title&amp;resnum=1"&gt;amazing fossil find&lt;/a&gt; because I'm not in the mood to have another debate with creationists.  But then I came across this wonderful example of scientific skepticism vs. creationist "skepticism."  I'll post just the excerpts that are skeptical in some way.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/19/AR2009051901544.html"&gt;The Washington Post&lt;/a&gt;, one of the most well-respected papers in the English language:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;About the size of a small cat, the animal has four legs and a long tail. Nobody is claiming that it's a direct ancestor of monkeys and humans, but it provides a good indication of what a long-ago ancestor may have looked like, researchers said at a news conference.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In an evolutionary sense, the fossil is like an aunt from several generations ago, said Jens Franzen of the Senckenberg Research Institute in Frankfurt, Germany.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The fossil is the best preserved ever found for a primate, said Jorn Hurum, of the University of Oslo Natural History Museum, one of the scientists introducing the specimen. It's about 95 percent complete, even including fingertips with nails, and lacks only the lower portion of one leg, Hurum said. It also includes gut contents, showing the creature ate leaves and fruit in its rainforest environment.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Experts not connected with the discovery said the finding was remarkably complete because of features like stomach contents. But they questioned the conclusions of Hurum and his colleagues about how closely it is related to ancestors of monkeys and humans.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"I actually don't think it's terribly close to the common ancestral line of monkeys, apes and people," said K. Christopher Beard of the Carnegie Museum of Natural History in Pittsburgh. "I would say it's about as far away as you can get from that line and still be a primate."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Rather than a long-ago aunt, "I would say it's more like a third cousin twice removed," he said. So it probably resembles ancestral creatures "only in a very peripheral way," he said.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Beard said scientists already have a fossil from China of about the same age that is widely accepted as coming from monkey-ape-human ancestral line, and it's much smaller than the new-found fossil and ate a different diet. "They are radically different animals," he said.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;John Fleagle of the State University of New York at Stony Brook said the scientists' analysis provides only "a pretty weak link" between the new creature and higher primates, called anthropoids, that includes monkeys and man.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"It doesn't really tell us much about anthropoid origins, quite frankly," Fleagle said. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/20/true-bridge-between-mankind-and-mammals/?page=2"&gt;The Washington Times&lt;/a&gt;, favored by Republicans (Reagan endorsed it early on) and owned by cult leader (seriously) &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Myung_Moon"&gt;Sun Myung Moon&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;But not everyone shares in the Ida adulation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"This is an incredible piece of hype to popularize a movie and a book. It's hard to believe that this story took off, but the media picked up on very emotional claims about the 'missing link.' It's created good publicity," said &lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;Ken Ham, president of Answers in Genesis and founder of the Creation Museum&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"What was wrong with all the other fossils over the years? Why get so excited with this one?" he asked.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"This is a noteworthy fossil find because it's so complete. But comparing it to the Rosetta Stone is quite an exaggeration," said &lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;David DeWitt, director of Creation Studies at Liberty University&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"They say 'we have proof' of the missing link. A few years later, they'll claim they have proof all over again.&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt; The important question is this: Where did the genetic information come from that produced that skeleton in the first place? It's not random chance&lt;/span&gt;," Mr. DeWitt said.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A 2006 Gallup poll found that eight out of 10 Americans believe God guided creation in "some capacity" - with 46 percent thinking God created man in his present form sometime in the past 10,000 years, while 36 percent say man developed over millions of years from lesser life forms, but God guided the process.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thirteen percent of Americans think mankind evolved with no divine intervention. [Emphasis added.]&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;LOL.  Now that's "fair and balanced."&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-4527103896110006342?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/4527103896110006342/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=4527103896110006342&amp;isPopup=true' title='33 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/4527103896110006342'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/4527103896110006342'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/05/bias-in-action-ida-fossil.html' title='Bias in Action: Ida the Fossil'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>33</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-6131700722310443456</id><published>2009-05-17T19:33:00.008-04:00</published><updated>2009-05-17T20:17:55.736-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='god'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='propaganda'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='rumsfeld'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='theocracy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='morality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='iraq'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='warfare'/><title type='text'>This War Has Nothing To Do With Religion!</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/ShCipNd0BYI/AAAAAAAAALc/MOAUfCSFops/s1600-h/8.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 277px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/ShCipNd0BYI/AAAAAAAAALc/MOAUfCSFops/s400/8.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5336944387307079042" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Right-wing bloggers mocked me and everybody else who threw around words like "theocons" and "religious nuts" with regard to the Bush administration.  They roundly dismissed claims that Bush said that &lt;a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bush-god-told-me-to-invade-iraq-509925.html"&gt;God told him to invade Iraq&lt;/a&gt;.  They said we were overreacing when Bush referred to the war as a "crusade." They scoffed at the notion that there's any connection between religiosity and hawkishness in America.  (I guess the immense overlap between Iraq War supporters and the religious right is a coincidence.  And the only reason Orthodox Jews are the only Jews who vote Republican is that they are the most rational.  Uh-huh.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And yet: Donald Rumsfeld &lt;a href="http://men.style.com/gq/features/landing?id=content_9217"&gt;put insane Bible verses&lt;/a&gt; (and chickenhawk war-porn) on the cover sheets of his top-secret intelligence briefings in the days surrounding the U.S. invasion of Iraq:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/ShCicDBL3rI/AAAAAAAAAKk/TJ81Ap946gE/s1600-h/1.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 274px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/ShCicDBL3rI/AAAAAAAAAKk/TJ81Ap946gE/s400/1.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5336944161164353202" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/ShCipYkDUCI/AAAAAAAAALs/VIgGO-3gbAM/s1600-h/10.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 277px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/ShCipYkDUCI/AAAAAAAAALs/VIgGO-3gbAM/s400/10.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5336944390286037026" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/ShCipFX_BTI/AAAAAAAAALk/YR6sPqozHaU/s1600-h/9.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 277px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/ShCipFX_BTI/AAAAAAAAALk/YR6sPqozHaU/s400/9.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5336944385135150386" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/ShCiowEXoWI/AAAAAAAAALU/V0eWSZHzFX8/s1600-h/7.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 276px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/ShCiowEXoWI/AAAAAAAAALU/V0eWSZHzFX8/s400/7.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5336944379415732578" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/ShCio6YqplI/AAAAAAAAALM/OPd--Q85Cgc/s1600-h/6.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 276px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/ShCio6YqplI/AAAAAAAAALM/OPd--Q85Cgc/s400/6.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5336944382185219666" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/ShCicv1HQNI/AAAAAAAAALE/o9_5Cb8d4a8/s1600-h/5.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 280px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/ShCicv1HQNI/AAAAAAAAALE/o9_5Cb8d4a8/s400/5.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5336944173193314514" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/ShCick9A1MI/AAAAAAAAAK8/ON_asIXp0MI/s1600-h/4.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 276px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/ShCick9A1MI/AAAAAAAAAK8/ON_asIXp0MI/s400/4.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5336944170273658050" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/ShCicYx23oI/AAAAAAAAAK0/0R0NofFQmI4/s1600-h/3.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 275px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/ShCicYx23oI/AAAAAAAAAK0/0R0NofFQmI4/s400/3.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5336944167005642370" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/ShCicYbbm-I/AAAAAAAAAKs/SJuhyDAFUXk/s1600-h/2.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 275px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/ShCicYbbm-I/AAAAAAAAAKs/SJuhyDAFUXk/s400/2.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5336944166911581154" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These are not powerpoint presentations put together by bored 12 year olds at Bible camp.  These were the covers of intelligence briefings by the Secretary of Defense given to the President of the United States of America.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This country is so topsy-turvy.  Americans say they'd never vote for an atheist, and being a religious fanatic is a plus.  Gays in the military &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;are required by law&lt;/span&gt; to hide their orientation (and consequently their families and loved ones) because homosexuality is something shameful and dangerous, but being a religious wacko will help you get promoted.  Supposed followers of Jesus -- the Prince of Peace who was tortured to death in a "stress position" -- mindlessly support torture and atheists are called immoral or worse.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-6131700722310443456?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/6131700722310443456/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=6131700722310443456&amp;isPopup=true' title='24 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/6131700722310443456'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/6131700722310443456'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/05/this-war-has-nothing-to-do-with.html' title='This War Has Nothing To Do With Religion!'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/ShCipNd0BYI/AAAAAAAAALc/MOAUfCSFops/s72-c/8.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>24</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-9033829620830510953</id><published>2009-05-13T14:53:00.004-04:00</published><updated>2009-05-13T15:07:44.019-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='bias'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='obama'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='jesse ventura'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='torture'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='partisanship'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='media'/><title type='text'>Torture: The Media, Obama, and the Establishment</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/05/13/ventura/index.html"&gt;Glenn Greenwald&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Jesse Ventura was on CNN with Larry King on Monday night and this exchange occurred, illustrating how simple, clear and definitively non-partisan is the case for investigations and prosecutions for those who ordered torture (video below):&lt;blockquote&gt;     &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;VENTURA&lt;/strong&gt;:  I don't watch much TV. This year's reading, I covered Bush's life. I covered Guantanamo and a few other subjects.&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p&gt;And I'm very disturbed about it.&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p&gt;I'm bothered over Guantanamo because it seems we've created our own Hanoi Hilton. We can live with that?  I have a problem.&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p&gt;I will criticize President Obama on this level; it's a good thing I'm not president because &lt;strong&gt;I would prosecute every person that was involved in that torture. I would prosecute the people that did it. I would prosecute the people that ordered it. Because torture is against the law.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;KING&lt;/strong&gt;: You were a Navy SEAL.&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;VENTURA&lt;/strong&gt;: That's right. I was water boarded, so I know -- at SERE School, Survival Escape Resistance Evasion. It was a required school you had to go to prior to going into the combat zone, which in my era was Vietnam. All of us had to go there. We were all, in essence -- every one of us was waterboarded. It is torture.&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;KING:&lt;/strong&gt; What was it like?&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;VENTURA&lt;/strong&gt;:  It's drowning. It gives you the complete sensation that you are drowning. It is no good, because you -- I'll put it to you this way, you give me a waterboard, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I'll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders.&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;/blockquote&gt;Let's just repeat that:  "I would prosecute the people that ordered it. Because torture is against the law."  &lt;strong&gt;That&lt;/strong&gt; is the crux of the case for investigations and prosecutions.  That's it.  Can anyone find a "liberal" or ideological argument anywhere in what Ventura said?  It's about as far from a partisan or "leftist" idea as one can get.  Yet our establishment media has succeeded (as Digby &lt;a target="_blank" href="http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/05/de-basing-torture-by-digby-argument.html"&gt;recently argued&lt;/a&gt;) in converting this view into a "Hard Left," "liberal" or "partisan" argument because that's the only prism through which they can understand anything, and that's their time-honored instrument for demonizing any idea that threatens their institutional prerogatives and orthodoxies (&lt;em&gt;only the Hard Left favors this&lt;/em&gt;).&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is not a partisan argument.  It's not an ideological one.  It's not a question of values or of opinions.    Those who ordered torture and those who tortured broke the law.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That this has become a partisan argument shows the complete fecklessness of the media and the total cynicism of the Republican party.  And it doesn't speak too well of Obama, Pelosi, or the other Democrats who've decided this isn't that big a deal, either.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If Obama doesn't want these people to go to jail, he should be forced to issue pardons.  None of this "I want to look forwards, not backwards" garbage.  The government is not a human being with a neck injury.  It *can* look forwards and backwards.  I understand that he'd rather focus on other priorities, but what does that say to the world?  Everybody's going to think -- perhaps correctly -- that we're just like dictatorships all over the world that claim to oppose torture while giving their interrogators a nod and a wink?  We can't just pretend it never happened.  We need to find out exactly what did happen, and we need to punish those who made it happen.  And then we need to make sure it never happens again.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-9033829620830510953?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/9033829620830510953/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=9033829620830510953&amp;isPopup=true' title='26 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/9033829620830510953'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/9033829620830510953'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/05/torture-media-obama-and-establishment.html' title='Torture: The Media, Obama, and the Establishment'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>26</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-4744070208558748546</id><published>2009-05-12T12:51:00.007-04:00</published><updated>2009-05-12T13:20:25.340-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='intellectual honesty'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='bible'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='apologetics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='interview'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='kofer'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='documentary hypothesis'/><title type='text'>Great Example of Intellectual Honesty</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0"&gt;Da'as&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1"&gt;Hedyot&lt;/span&gt; has a &lt;a href="http://daashedyot.blogspot.com/2009/05/better-know-kofer-little-foxling.html"&gt;new "Better Know a &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2"&gt;Kofer&lt;/span&gt;" interview&lt;/a&gt; up, this time with blogger &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3"&gt;littlefoxling&lt;/span&gt;.  &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_4"&gt;Littlefoxling&lt;/span&gt; goes into much more depth about his intellectual journey out of Orthodoxy than previous interviewees, and I highly recommend it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'll add a glossary at the end for those unfamiliar with Orthodox jargon and Hebrew and Aramaic and Yiddish. :-)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some excerpts (okay a lot of excerpts.  It's a long interview:)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;One day, &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_5"&gt;Sorah&lt;/span&gt; brought up the issue of the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Documentary_Hypothesis"&gt;Documentary Hypothesis&lt;/a&gt;. I had heard of DH before in &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_6"&gt;chumash&lt;/span&gt; class. I knew all about it. DH was when you went through the Torah and you took every &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_7"&gt;passuk&lt;/span&gt; with &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_8"&gt;YHWH&lt;/span&gt; and said "This is J" and every &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_9"&gt;passuk&lt;/span&gt; with Elohim and said "This is E" and then when you were done you looked back and said "Poof! All the &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_10"&gt;YHWH&lt;/span&gt;’s are in J." my &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_11"&gt;chumash&lt;/span&gt; teachers had made fun of it incessantly. Also, it was humanities, not sciences. And, I knew from college that the humanities were crap. I was very glad to have the discussion switch to an area I was on firmer ground in and so I started to make fun of the DH.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So many Orthodox people stop there.  They've heard rabbis make fun of something and claim that it's untrue, so they make fun of it and claim it's untrue.  But fortunately (or unfortunately, if you're Orthodox) &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_12"&gt;littlefoxling&lt;/span&gt; was not that kind of Orthodox Jew:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;As the conversation continued though, I realized that whether DH was true or not, I knew pathetically little about what it actually said and was really not in a position to talk about it. This bothered me and so I went to the library and got a few books out on DH.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What?!  Where's the blind trust in the authority of the Rabbis?  Once you start investigating for yourself, who knows where that might lead?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_13"&gt;littlefoxling&lt;/span&gt; wasn't one of those Jews who just accepts everything blindly, he also wasn't one to throw away his religion the first time he encountered opposing arguments.  He brought a healthy skepticism to them as well:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The first one I read was Richard Elliot Friedman’s &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060630353?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;tag=daahed-20&amp;amp;linkCode=as2&amp;amp;camp=1789&amp;amp;creative=9325&amp;amp;creativeASIN=0060630353"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Who Wrote the Bible?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. It confirmed everything my &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_14"&gt;rebbeim&lt;/span&gt; had said about DH. The book was basically a &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_15"&gt;migdal&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_16"&gt;poreach&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_17"&gt;baavir&lt;/span&gt;. He had maybe 5 or 6 good contradictions and this &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_18"&gt;YHWH&lt;/span&gt;/Elohim thing and from that he concocted this complex conspiracy theory of how the Torah was written. It was complete crap and I knew better. I got a few other books out of the library and they were all the same...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I continued along this path. I took book after book out of the library but found each one to be worst than the last. Each just asserted DH was true but none actually proved it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Did he breathe a sigh of relief at this point and give up his research?  He could have, if he didn't have that nasty habit of thinking too much:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;One day, a thought occurred to me. REF and all the other authors I was reading generally had some kind of line about how the DH was already established and they &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_19"&gt;weren&lt;/span&gt;’t going to spend time proving it since it was already unanimously accepted. I wondered if perhaps the problem was that these books just took it for granted and &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_20"&gt;didn&lt;/span&gt;’t bother to present the evidence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I had this idea. Maybe if I looked at some older books I would get more of the evidence. I stumbled upon S. R. Driver’s "&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1417901284?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;tag=daahed-20&amp;amp;linkCode=as2&amp;amp;camp=1789&amp;amp;creative=9325&amp;amp;creativeASIN=1417901284"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Introduction to the Literature of the Old Testament&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;," which was published in 1913.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oops, good point.  I wonder what will happen:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;I was mortified. The book was absolutely chock full of completely irrefutable proof for the DH. For weeks and weeks I struggled with him, Driver and I locked in epic battle. But I could not defeat him. Everything I threw at him, my best apologetics and &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_21"&gt;sevorahs&lt;/span&gt; were no match for him.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ah, that's a moment most of us &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_22"&gt;OTDers&lt;/span&gt; recognize.  The first time we realize that what we've been taught is really, really not true.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_23"&gt;LF&lt;/span&gt; didn't go down without a fight, though:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;I began to read the apologists. &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/9657052351?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;tag=daahed-20&amp;amp;linkCode=as2&amp;amp;camp=1789&amp;amp;creative=9325&amp;amp;creativeASIN=9657052351"&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_24"&gt;Cassuto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Zvi_Hoffman"&gt;Hoffman&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.dovidgottlieb.com/"&gt;David &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_25"&gt;Gottlieb&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.lookstein.org/articles/rabbi_breuer.htm"&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_26"&gt;Breuer&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. I was mortified once again. They were all complete crap. Me, a &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_27"&gt;freakin&lt;/span&gt; finance guy who was doing this all on the subway to and from work could see how stupid everything they wrote was.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As we all find out sooner or later, apologists are for believers who want to continue believing, and are willing to suspend their disbelief to do so.  They're total crap to anyone with a halfway objective eye.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_28"&gt;LH&lt;/span&gt; then threw himself into the real scholars who don't agree exactly with the DH, with similar results.  Yeah, maybe they disagree with some of the details, but it's not exactly like they've determined that Moses wrote the thing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then he had the epiphany.  This is the epiphany that I think all Orthodox Jews who go &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_29"&gt;OTD&lt;/span&gt; for intellectual reasons must have at some point:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;So, I started to think about what my options were. Of course, I was holding out to find the scholars that &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_30"&gt;underminded&lt;/span&gt; DH. But, what if I &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_31"&gt;couldn&lt;/span&gt;’t find them? What did that mean? I started to wonder if maybe I could reconcile DH with &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_32"&gt;Yahadus&lt;/span&gt;. DH &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_33"&gt;wasn&lt;/span&gt;’t too far off from &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Weiss_Halivni"&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_34"&gt;Halivni&lt;/span&gt;’s&lt;/a&gt; continual revelation. Maybe I could believe in DH and still be a &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_35"&gt;frum&lt;/span&gt; yid.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I had a number of options I was considering. This &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_36"&gt;Halivni&lt;/span&gt; option was one. &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_37"&gt;Breur's&lt;/span&gt; methodology seemed to be to adopt the DH but argue that it was one author writing from two point of views. &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_38"&gt;Cassuto&lt;/span&gt; basically said that the whole DH was deceptive and faulty reasoning. And then there was Hoffman. Hoffman argued that one could use the &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_39"&gt;DH's&lt;/span&gt; reasoning and come up with authors and divisions even the DH didn't hold of which showed even scholars didn't hold of the reasoning really.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But then something &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_40"&gt;occurred&lt;/span&gt; to me. On my list of possibilities, the possibility of "The Torah is not divine" didn't even appear. But that seemed strange given that that possibility was winning soundly in my research.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And, then, it hit me. It hit me like a bag of bricks. The moment that would forever change my life. There was a realization. It &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_41"&gt;wasn&lt;/span&gt;’t about it the DH, the &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_42"&gt;mabul&lt;/span&gt;, or the &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_43"&gt;Kuzari&lt;/span&gt; proof. It was about me. I looked in the mirror and said to myself "What am I doing?"&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt; I realized that I was not trying to find the truth. I &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_44"&gt;wasn&lt;/span&gt;’t looking for the answers. I was looking to prove that OJ was true. I realized that in all my inquires, if it was DH, KP, &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_45"&gt;mabul&lt;/span&gt;, &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_46"&gt;Enuma&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_47"&gt;Elish&lt;/span&gt;, I was always trying to figure out how to answer for OJ, not how to find the truth.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That's it.  That's really all it takes.  The instant you realize that you haven't been looking for the truth at all, but looking for a way to rationalize your prior beliefs, it's all over.  Because if you really look for the truth, there's no way in hell you end up with Orthodox Judaism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Glossary:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_48"&gt;Passuk&lt;/span&gt;: verse, especially a verse from the Torah.&lt;br /&gt;Chumash: Pentateuch&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_49"&gt;Rebbeim&lt;/span&gt;: Rabbis&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_50"&gt;Migdal&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_51"&gt;poreach&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_52"&gt;baavir&lt;/span&gt;: Building floating on air (i.e. an edifice built on top of nothing)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_53"&gt;sevorahs&lt;/span&gt;: opinion? conjecture? tentative argument?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_54"&gt;Yahadus&lt;/span&gt;: Judaism&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_55"&gt;Frum&lt;/span&gt; yid: Religious Jew&lt;br /&gt;mabul: Flood&lt;br /&gt;Kuzari proof: The common apologetic argument that the story of mass revelation at Sinai is so amazing and unusual that it must be true.&lt;br /&gt;OTD: Off the derech = Off the way = a term for those of us who left Orthodox Judaism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-4744070208558748546?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/4744070208558748546/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=4744070208558748546&amp;isPopup=true' title='14 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/4744070208558748546'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/4744070208558748546'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/05/great-example-of-intellectual-honesty.html' title='Great Example of Intellectual Honesty'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>14</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-6667463918604291494</id><published>2009-05-12T12:07:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2009-05-12T12:10:26.123-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='atheism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='relationships'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='christianity'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pat robertson'/><title type='text'>Pat Robertson Advises A Christian About Atheist Boyfriend</title><content type='html'>&lt;object width="560" height="340"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/7Zv9AgwKAE0&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/7Zv9AgwKAE0&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="560" height="340"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-6667463918604291494?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/6667463918604291494/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=6667463918604291494&amp;isPopup=true' title='9 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/6667463918604291494'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/6667463918604291494'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/05/pat-robertson-advises-christian-about.html' title='Pat Robertson Advises A Christian About Atheist Boyfriend'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>9</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-8711697739802425290</id><published>2009-05-11T10:38:00.005-04:00</published><updated>2009-05-11T10:47:50.642-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='obama'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='homosexuality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='military'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='dadt'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='politics'/><title type='text'>Another Military Arabic Linguist Fired For Being Gay</title><content type='html'>Another rarely talented military Arabic linguist we desperately need is about to be fired because he's gay:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Dan Choi, a West Point graduate and officer in the Army National Guard who is fluent in Arabic and who returned recently from Iraq, received notice today that the military is about to fire him. Why? Because he came out of the closet as a gay man on national television.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I spent a day with Dan Choi last month, and he is not someone we want to fire from the military. He loves the armed forces. He served bravely under tough combat conditions in Iraq. His Arabic is excellent, and he used his language skills to defuse many tough situations and to save lives, both Iraqi and American. All of his unit mates know he is gay, and they have been very supportive of him. But he doesn't want to live a lie.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How stupid are we as a society?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Aaron Belkin blames Obama:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Obama has been praised for delaying efforts to get rid of "don't ask, don't tell," and some major gay rights groups are actively lobbying to delay consideration of the issue. They seem to believe that Obama should focus on other gay-rights issues first, and that he shouldn't spend his precious political capital trying to ram a repeal bill through Congress.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This misses the point. Obama could sign an executive order today. With roughly three-quarters of the public, including a majority of republicans, in favor of open gay service, a meaningful public backlash is unlikely. A slight majority of service members prefer that the policy be left in place, but polls also show that only a tiny minority of them care strongly about the issue, and that the vast majority of service members are comfortable interacting with gays.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Obama may believe he has nothing to lose by waiting. But what about Dan Choi's career? Is this really the right time to fire military officers who are fluent in Arabic?&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have to agree.  I know Obama's got to pick his battles, but this one's a no-brainer.  How often do you get to do the thing that is right, popular, AND will make our country safer?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-8711697739802425290?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/8711697739802425290/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=8711697739802425290&amp;isPopup=true' title='24 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/8711697739802425290'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/8711697739802425290'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/05/another-military-arabic-linguist-fired.html' title='Another Military Arabic Linguist Fired For Being Gay'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>24</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-8713412106087189200</id><published>2009-04-21T17:25:00.003-04:00</published><updated>2009-04-21T18:30:58.763-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='yoo'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='bush'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='torture'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='memos'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='war crimes'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='bybee'/><title type='text'>The Torture Memos</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.aclu.org/safefree/general/olc_memos.html"&gt;Four Bush administration memos&lt;/a&gt; were released last week.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Perhaps those still in denial about whether waterboarding is "torture" may be convinced that waterboarding the same person 173 times is "torture."  But probably not.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Other than that obscene number, there isn't a lot of new information contained in these memos.  We already knew that the Bush administration had approved all of the techniques seen in the infamous pictures from Abu Ghraib (except the simulated electrocution, maybe.)  We knew they were used not just at Abu Ghraib.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The banality of the last administration's evil revealed in these memos is beyond disturbing, though.  Chilling, like we're really living in &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;1984&lt;/span&gt;'s Oceania.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;As part of this increased pressure phase, Zubaydah will have contact only with a new interrogation specialist, whom he has not met previously, and the Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape ("SERE") training psychologist who has been involved with the interrogations since they began. This phase will likely last no more than several days but could last up to thirty days. In this phase, you would like to employ ten techniques that you believe will dislocate his expectations regarding the treatment he believes he will receive and encourage him to disclose the crucial information mentioned above. These ten techniques are: (1) attention grasp, (2) walling, (3) facial hold, (4) facial slap (insult slap), (5) cramped confinement, (6) wall standing, (7) stress positions, (8) sleep deprivation, (9) insects placed in a confinement box, and (10) the waterboard. You have informed us that the use of these techniques would be on an as-needed basis and that not all of these techniques will necessarily be used. The interrogation team would use these techniques in some combination to convince Zubaydab that the only way he can influence his surrounding environment is through cooperation. You have, however, informed us that you expect these techniques to be used in some sort of escalating fashion, culminating with the waterboard, though not necessarily ending with this technique.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Sleep deprivation may be used. You have indicated that your purpose in using this technique is to reduce the individual's ability to think on his feet and, through the discomfort associated with lack of sleep; to motivate him to cooperate: The effect of such sleep deprivation will generally remit after one or two nights of uninterrupted sleep, You have informed us that your research has revealed that, in rare instances, some individuals who are already predisposed to psychological problems may experience abnormal reactions to sleep deprivation.  Even in those cases, however, reactions abate after the individual is permitted to sleep. Moreover, personnel with medical training are available to and will intervene in the unlikely event of an abnormal reaction. You have orally informed us that you would not deprive Zubaydah of sleep for more than eleven days at a time and that you have previously kept him awake for 72 hours,from which no mental or physical harm resulted.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;ELEVEN DAYS.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One more, straight out of &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;1984&lt;/span&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;As we understand it, you plan to inform Zubaydah that you are going to place a stinging insect into the box, but you will actually place a harmless insect in the box, such as a caterpillar.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you do so, to ensure that you are outside the predicate act requirement, you must inform him that the insects will not have a sting that would produce death or severe pain.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If, however, you were to place the insect in the box without informing him that you are doing so, then, in order to not commit a predicate act, you should not affirmatively lead him to believe that any insect is present which has a sting that could produce severe pain or suffering or even cause death. (material redacted with black lines here) so long as you take either of the approaches we have described, the insect's placement in the box would not constitute a threat of severe physical pain or suffering to a reasonable person in his position. (&lt;a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-torture_boxapr17,0,6724215.story"&gt;Source&lt;/a&gt;.)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This, to borrow a word from George Bush's tiny lexicon, is EVIL.  And even if you're an ends-justifies-the-means kinda guy or girl who thinks it was justified, it was transparently illegal.  To take just one example, depriving a person of sleep for eleven days is OBVIOUSLY torture, by any legal definition we have.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Those responsible, from Bush and Cheney all the way down to the field agents "just following orders" should be tried and prosecuted as war criminals.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anybody who wants to defend these memos is forever banned from using the words "textualism" or "originalism" without irony, by the way.  You must admit you use abortion as a litmus test for judges rather than feigning a passion for certain methods of constitutional interpretation.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-8713412106087189200?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/8713412106087189200/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=8713412106087189200&amp;isPopup=true' title='131 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/8713412106087189200'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/8713412106087189200'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/04/torture-memos.html' title='The Torture Memos'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>131</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-4881544767151670818</id><published>2009-03-31T13:19:00.004-04:00</published><updated>2009-03-31T13:33:48.970-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='afghanistan'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='obama'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pakistan'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='war'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='iraq'/><title type='text'>Obama Is Wrong On Afghanistan</title><content type='html'>I've long been skeptical of Obama's support for escalating the war in Afghanistan.  What can we possibly achieve there that would be worth the cost?  I just don't get it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Last week, Obama gave a rationale for the war which seems to be, frankly, dumb.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here's Juan Cole:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;President Barack Obama may or may not be doing the right thing in Afghanistan, but the rationale he gave for it on Friday is almost certainly wrong. Obama has presented us with a 21st century version of the domino theory. The U.S. is not, contrary to what the president said, mainly fighting "al-Qaida" in Afghanistan. In blaming everything on al-Qaida, Obama broke with his pledge of straight talk to the public and fell back on Bush-style boogeymen and implausible conspiracy theories.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Obama realizes that after seven years, Afghanistan war fatigue has begun to set in with the American people. Some 51 percent of Americans now oppose the Afghanistan war, and 64 percent of Democrats do. The president is therefore escalating in the teeth of substantial domestic opposition, especially from his own party, as voters worry about spending billions more dollars abroad while the U.S. economy is in serious trouble.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He acknowledged that we deserve a "straightforward answer" as to why the U.S. and NATO are still fighting there. "So let me be clear," he said, "Al-Qaida and its allies -- the terrorists who planned and supported the 9/11 attacks -- are in Pakistan and Afghanistan." But his characterization of what is going on now in Afghanistan, almost eight years after 9/11, was simply not true, and was, indeed, positively misleading. "And if the Afghan government falls to the Taliban," he said, "or allows al-Qaida to go unchallenged -- that country will again be a base for terrorists who want to kill as many of our people as they possibly can."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Obama described the same sort of domino effect that Washington elites used to ascribe to international communism. In the updated, al-Qaida version, the Taliban might take Kunar Province, and then all of Afghanistan, and might again host al-Qaida, and might then threaten the shores of the United States. He even managed to add an analog to Cambodia to the scenario, saying, "The future of Afghanistan is inextricably linked to the future of its neighbor, Pakistan," and warned, "Make no mistake: Al-Qaida and its extremist allies are a cancer that risks killing Pakistan from within."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This latter-day domino theory of al-Qaida takeovers in South Asia is just as implausible as its earlier iteration in Southeast Asia (ask Thailand or the Philippines). Most of the allegations are not true or are vastly exaggerated. There are very few al-Qaida fighters based in Afghanistan proper. What is being called the "Taliban" is mostly not Taliban at all (in the sense of seminary graduates loyal to Mullah Omar). The groups being branded "Taliban" only have substantial influence in 8 to 10 percent of Afghanistan, and only 4 percent of Afghans say they support them. Some 58 percent of Afghans say that a return of the Taliban is the biggest threat to their country, but almost no one expects it to happen. Moreover, with regard to Pakistan, there is no danger of militants based in the remote Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) taking over that country or "killing" it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Kabul government is not on the verge of falling to the Taliban. The Afghan government has 80,000 troops, who benefit from close U.S. air support, and the total number of Taliban fighters in the Pashtun provinces is estimated at 10,000 to 15,000. Kabul is in danger of losing control of some villages in the provinces to dissident Pashtun warlords styled "Taliban," though it is not clear why the new Afghan army could not expel them if they did so. A smaller, poorly equipped Northern Alliance army defeated 60,000 Taliban with U.S. air support in 2001. And there is no prospect of "al-Qaida" reestablishing bases in Afghanistan from which it could attack the United States. If al-Qaida did come back to Afghanistan, it could simply be bombed and would be attacked by the new Afghan army.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I started supporting Obama in &lt;a href="http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2007/02/barack-obama-was-right-about-iraq.html"&gt;early 2007&lt;/a&gt; because of his outspoken and &lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;correct&lt;/span&gt; speech against the war in Iraq.  I do not understand his position on Afghanistan.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Americans who aren't directly touched by the wars seem to have almost forgotten them in the wake of the economic crisis, but this issue is too important to stay on the back burner.  How many more lives and billions of dollars must we lose in Afghanistan before we admit that there's really no reason for us to be over there?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-4881544767151670818?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/4881544767151670818/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=4881544767151670818&amp;isPopup=true' title='17 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/4881544767151670818'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/4881544767151670818'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/03/obama-is-wrong-on-afghanistan.html' title='Obama Is Wrong On Afghanistan'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>17</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-7302228266737270930</id><published>2009-03-30T14:27:00.004-04:00</published><updated>2009-03-30T14:39:53.300-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='judaism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='senseless tragedy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='homosexuality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='homophobia'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='torah'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='yeshiva university'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox judaism'/><title type='text'>A Gay, Closeted YU Student Speaks Out (Anonymously)</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.yucommentator.com/home/index.cfm?event=displayArticle&amp;ustory_id=3e858e60-b231-466d-a887-f2e001da6cb2"&gt;This&lt;/a&gt; is heartbreaking because it is so unnecessary:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Each of us has a challenge in the world, a roadblock on the highway of life that challenges us to become the best we can be. We are given these tests to help shape our character and to become masters of our desires, whatever they are. Whether the test is keeping Shabbat or learning afternoon seder between classes, we are all given a test in life. My own challenge keeps me up at night, preoccupies my thoughts during the day, and leaves me feeling like I am walking down a somber road in a lonely world: I am a religious Jew, living in the observant Jewish world, faced with the challenge of being a homosexual...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As a religious Jew, I have always put Torah values at the center of my beliefs. Never would I dream of trying to say that homosexuality is permissible; I know that there is something intrinsically wrong with such an act. That is certainly not to say, however, that it is not a challenge for me. Attraction, whether to a man or to a woman, is not something that one can control. The fact that I have certain desires – which I would purge from my life in a second if I had the ability – is something that I cannot change. They leave me with feelings of solitude, despair, depression, and, alas, excitement...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My path is unclear and even though I still stand alone, I stand armed with the will to live another day and fight to keep my beliefs alive. No matter the support I get, I stand on trial every day of my life. I do not know where my future will lead, nor how I can change my feelings. I live with a sense of frustration, knowing the goal I want to reach but lacking the tools to arrive there. What must I do to be able to marry a woman? What must I share with my future partner? How can I even bring myself to tell her this hidden secret? I do not know if it is fair to ask someone to live with me under these conditions, or whether I will truly be able to be happy in such a relationship. All I know is that I want to one day make marriage to a woman work – to love her and have her love me back. I want to watch her walk down to the chuppah in the most beautiful wedding dress, with tears of happiness and joy in her eyes, as I know there will be in mine. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is especially poignant:&lt;blockquote&gt;I thank Hashem every day for the strengths He has given me. I thank Him for the rebbe He sent me, who, instead of rejecting me, stood by my side, helping me though the most awful time of my life. I thank Him for the stamina He gave me to fight a depression that nearly led me to commit suicide.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hashem, or more accurately, the insane belief in Hashem and in the Torah as His word, is what probably caused that depression... and this poor kid is grateful that Hashem gave him the strength to fight it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As I wrote in response to &lt;a href="http://apikoresblog.blogspot.com/2009/03/abomination.html"&gt;Apikores's post&lt;/a&gt; about this article, some men like women and some men like men.  What is the big frickin' deal?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here's the first paragraph of my response on the Commentator website.  I assume it will be deleted, but I don't know their policy:&lt;blockquote&gt;My heart goes out to you, not just because of your pain, but because your pain is unnecessary. You're so quick to dismiss your orientation as wrong and problematic -- how much time have you spent considering whether the Torah is wrong or problematic? &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Previously: &lt;a href="http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2005/05/how-orthodoxy-causes-good-men-to-do.html"&gt;How Orthodoxy Causes Good Men To Do Evil&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-7302228266737270930?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/7302228266737270930/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=7302228266737270930&amp;isPopup=true' title='70 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/7302228266737270930'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/7302228266737270930'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/03/gay-closeted-yu-student-speaks-out.html' title='A Gay, Closeted YU Student Speaks Out (Anonymously)'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>70</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-8397671302668227121</id><published>2009-03-30T14:09:00.004-04:00</published><updated>2009-03-30T14:16:57.025-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='stereotypes'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='heresy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='psychology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='kofrim'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='interview'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='going off the derech'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='otd'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='kofers'/><title type='text'>Better Know a Kofer: A Series</title><content type='html'>Da'as Hedyot has begun a &lt;a href="http://daashedyot.blogspot.com/2009/03/better-know-kofer.html"&gt;series of interviews&lt;/a&gt; with kofrim (heretics, like me) in order combat the stereotypes Orthodox Jews have about us (we're shallow, hedonistic sex&amp;drug addicts with no morals.)  The &lt;a href="http://daashedyot.blogspot.com/2009/03/better-know-kofer-sarah.html"&gt;first interview&lt;/a&gt; has been posted:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The first kofer we're meeting in our new series, Better Know a Kofer, is Sara, a third year law student who lives in Michigan with her husband of five years, together with their young daughter and two pets. Sara is a former Bais Yaakov girl from a moderate yeshivish family who stopped being frum in her early twenties. She currently practices Elder Law in a free clinic and has worked in the past as a middle and high school teacher at Bais Yaakov.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I and most of the other commenters focused probably too much on the fact that Sara is now a (liberal) Roman Catholic, but isn't that the whole point of this series?  All of us who left are different.  There are as many reasons, and paths, as there are kofrim.  Check it out.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-8397671302668227121?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/8397671302668227121/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=8397671302668227121&amp;isPopup=true' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/8397671302668227121'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/8397671302668227121'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/03/better-know-kofer-series.html' title='Better Know a Kofer: A Series'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-4256663487894742402</id><published>2009-03-27T14:33:00.007-04:00</published><updated>2009-03-27T14:52:58.384-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='intellectual dishonesty'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='bias'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='denial'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='compartmentalization'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='the rav'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='psychology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='modern orthodoxy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='heroic denial'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='cognitive dissonance'/><title type='text'>How Smart Intellectuals Believe In Orthodox Judaism</title><content type='html'>Chana has a &lt;a href="http://curiousjew.blogspot.com/2009/03/surrendering-our-minds-to-god.html"&gt;bizarre post&lt;/a&gt; today that I think explains one of the most confounding questions for us OTDers: how could smart, intellectually curious adults possibly believe that stuff?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The answer can be found in a paragraph she quotes from every Modern Orthodox intellectual's favorite rabbi, "the Rav," Rabbi Joseph B. Soloveitchik:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The religious Jew accepts the entire Torah as a &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;hok&lt;/span&gt;, both in regard to its immutability and also its unintellegibility... To be a loyal Jew is to be heroic, and heroes commit themselves without intellectual reservations. Only one who lacks the courage of commitment will belabor the "why"...&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Do you see that?  It's "heroic" to commit oneself to something admittedly unintelligible without intellectual reservations.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is related to, but slightly different from the other technique I've identified that intellectual Orthodox Jews use to believe: &lt;a href="http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2005/05/intellectual-cowardice-in-orthodox.html"&gt;compartmentalization&lt;/a&gt;.  In compartmentalization, the intellectual simply chooses not to apply his/her full range of intellectual techniques to certain religious questions.  (An example of compartmentalism is applying the techniques of textual criticism to the Talmud but not to the Bible, or using skepticism during one's day job as a scientist but not applying it to religion.)  I've always understood compartmentalization as a technique people use when they are too scared to question their foundational beliefs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But this is something different.  This isn't turning away from the truth in fear, but rather turning away &lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;with pride.&lt;/span&gt;  Somehow the Rav and many like him convince themselves that there is something noble ("heroic") about believing the unbelievable.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What should we call this technique?  "Heroic denial?"&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-4256663487894742402?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/4256663487894742402/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=4256663487894742402&amp;isPopup=true' title='34 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/4256663487894742402'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/4256663487894742402'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/03/how-smart-intellectuals-believe-in.html' title='How Smart Intellectuals Believe In Orthodox Judaism'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>34</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-3683326973175665176</id><published>2009-03-24T12:02:00.004-04:00</published><updated>2009-03-24T12:12:22.959-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='reason'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='psychology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='community'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='belief'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='skepticism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='religion'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='investigation'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='logic'/><title type='text'>Reasons To Believe</title><content type='html'>&lt;blockquote&gt;Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away -- Philip K. Dick&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Brooklyn Wolf asks, &lt;a href="http://wolfishmusings.blogspot.com/2009/03/do-you-really-require-proof.html"&gt;Do You Really Require Proof&lt;/a&gt;?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;I don't have any absolute proof, and, truth be told, I don't need any. Just by looking at the wonderfulness of nature, from the macroscopic to the microscopic, I am convinced that God exists. When I look at the universe and consider the possibilities that it either sprung into existence by itself or had help, I take "had help." Yes, it's only a gut feeling and yes, it falls far short of proof, but that's all I need to live my life. But I'm also honest about it. I know that it's not proof, and I state the same up front to anyone who asks. I don't require "solid proof" for my beliefs -- and, if you seriously consider what I said, neither do you.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This was my response:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Proof" is the wrong word. What people need are reasons. For some people, the fact that they like Orthodox Judaism is reason enough to believe. For others, the fact that their parents and ancestors believe is reason enough.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And then some people just want to know what's TRUE, period. We don't want reasons to believe if those reasons don't help us believe what's true.  We want to avoid the traps other minds fall into: denial, logical fallacies, and sheltering ourselves from people and ideas that might destroy our beliefs.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We see that people with Muslim parents tend to believe in Allah and people with Jewish parents tend to believe in YHWH and we realize that people who believe for the kinds of reasons that we believed basically believe whatever they want to believe.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So we become skeptics. We set out to find what's true. And we steel ourselves to face the truth even if we have to give up some cherished beliefs and even if accepting the truth means that our families and friends and communities might reject us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm not saying this makes us better people, or more healthy psychologically. I'm sure the psychological reasons for believing what our communities believe evolved for a reason.  What I am saying is that we're more likely to believe in what's true.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you'd rather believe what your loved ones believe and what your parents believed and what lets you live in an Orthodox community, you should probably stick with whatever it is that lets you do that. If you want to know what's true, become a skeptic.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-3683326973175665176?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/3683326973175665176/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=3683326973175665176&amp;isPopup=true' title='29 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/3683326973175665176'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/3683326973175665176'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/03/reasons-to-believe.html' title='Reasons To Believe'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>29</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-7641863417884641372</id><published>2009-03-17T09:35:00.004-04:00</published><updated>2009-03-19T21:59:35.579-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Catholicism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pope benedict'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='religion'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pope'/><title type='text'>The Pope on Condoms in Africa</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/vaticancityandholysee/5005357/Pope-Benedict-XVI-condoms-make-Aids-crisis-worse.html"&gt;Pope Benedict XVI: condoms make Aids crisis worse&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;While en route from Rome to his first stop, Cameroon, the Pope said that the condition was "a tragedy that cannot be overcome by money alone, that cannot be overcome through the distribution of condoms, which even aggravates the problems."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Speaking on board his official plane, the pontiff insisted that the Roman Catholic Church is in the forefront of the battle against Aids, advocating sexual abstinence and fidelity within marriage as a way of fighting the disease.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;How many additional people are going to get sick and die because of this idiot and his religious dogma?  A million?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;EDIT: A commenter points me to &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-weight: bold;" href="http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=MTNlNDc1MmMwNDM0OTEzMjQ4NDc0ZGUyOWYxNmEzN2E="&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt; quoting the director of AIDS Prevention Research Project at the Harvard Center for Population and Development Studies saying that the Pope is right.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I apologize for my questions above if this correction holds up.  Can anyone who knows more about the subject weigh in?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-7641863417884641372?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/7641863417884641372/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=7641863417884641372&amp;isPopup=true' title='47 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/7641863417884641372'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/7641863417884641372'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/03/pope-on-condoms-in-africa.html' title='The Pope on Condoms in Africa'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>47</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-3777990238319250985</id><published>2009-03-10T11:46:00.004-04:00</published><updated>2009-03-10T12:00:43.429-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='extremism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='manufacturing consent'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='debate'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='propaganda'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='compromise'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='stimulus'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='media'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='economy'/><title type='text'>Newsflash: Media Still Really Really Not Liberal</title><content type='html'>What with Democrats owning the White House and Congress and the media being allegedly liberal, one would expect the debate over the most important issue of the day to be slanted heavily to the left.  It's not, because the media are not liberal but incompetent, offering "two sides" of any debate without any perspective on whether those two sides have anything remotely to do with the truth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Democrats and most economists believe that the economy requires a stimulus package.  Obama, being a moderate kind of guy, chose a moderate number for the size of the stimulus, as compared to the numbers suggested by economists.  The Republicans, on the other hand, staked out an insanely far-right position: a spending freeze.  (A freeze?  Holy crap, we dodged a bullet in the last election.  What if McCain had actually followed through on the Hooverian rhetoric?)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So the media, incompetent approval-seekers that they are, dutifully accepted those two positions as representing opposite ends of the spectrum and has presented them as such.  The result is a "debate" wildly skewed towards the right.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This happens on many issues.  In the lead-up to the Iraq war, the right staked out the "we must invade" position, while the left took to a moderate "let's wait and see" position.  So the media dutifully framed the debate that way, effectively making the new center the "we'll probably invade soon, but we'll pay a little lip service to waiting first."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/07/one-sided-debate/"&gt;Krugman&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="entry-content"&gt;   &lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;One major sin of news coverage, especially on TV, is the way certain points of view just get excluded from consideration — &lt;em&gt;even if many of the best-informed people hold those views&lt;/em&gt;. Most famously and disastrously, the case against invading Iraq was just not heard in the months before the war.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;And still it happens. According to the invaluable &lt;a href="http://mediamatters.org/items/200903060025?f=h_latest"&gt;Media Matters&lt;/a&gt;, the idea that the Obama stimulus plan might be too small — a view held by many well-known economists — basically went unreported on broadcast news during the stimulus debate. Out of 59 broadcasts addressing the plan, only 3 mentioned concerns that the plan was inadequate. And it’s actually even worse than that: one of those three involved Harry Reid talking about longer-term goals on health and education — and one of the other two was me.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Meanwhile, it’s rapidly becoming clear that yes, the plan was &lt;a href="http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/03/bleak_house.php"&gt;too small&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The future of our economy is at stake.  And it's at risk because the Republicans are better at framing the debate and the media are too cowed to correct for it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Obama should have opened with a 1.3 or 1.5 trillion dollar package, with almost no tax cuts.  The Republicans would have stuck to their extreme, and the media would have framed the debate so that a $750 billion stimulus with $300 billion in tax cuts appeared to be the moderate, centrist position it is.  And who knows?  We might have even gotten a stimulus big enough to fix things.  Now we just have to hope.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-3777990238319250985?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/3777990238319250985/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=3777990238319250985&amp;isPopup=true' title='23 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/3777990238319250985'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/3777990238319250985'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/03/newsflash-media-still-really-really-not.html' title='Newsflash: Media Still Really Really Not Liberal'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>23</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-4599634994794290533</id><published>2009-03-05T13:15:00.002-05:00</published><updated>2009-03-05T13:17:52.747-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='hypocrisy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='housing bubble'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='economics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='optimism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='bail out'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='crash'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='reporting'/><title type='text'>Jon Stewart Takes On Santelli and CNBC</title><content type='html'>&lt;style type='text/css'&gt;.cc_box a:hover .cc_home{background:url('http://www.comedycentral.com/comedycentral/video/assets/syndicated-logo-over.png') !important;}.cc_links a{color:#b9b9b9;text-decoration:none;}.cc_show a{color:#707070;text-decoration:none;}.cc_title a{color:#868686;text-decoration:none;}.cc_links a:hover{color:#67bee2;text-decoration:underline;}&lt;/style&gt;&lt;div class='cc_box' style='position:relative'&gt;&lt;a href='http://www.comedycentral.com' target='_blank' style='display:inline; 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float:left;'&gt;&lt;a target='_blank' href='http://www.indecisionforever.com'&gt;Political Humor&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a target='_blank' href='http://www.jokes.com'&gt;Joke of the Day&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style='clear:both'&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style='clear:both'&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Does a better job than &lt;a href="http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/02/stop-blaming-borrowers.html"&gt;I did&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Idiot right-wing pundits who are paid to know what they're talking about got this 100% wrong.  ONE HUNDRED PERCENT WRONG.  But do they lose their jobs?  No.  And they have the chutzpah to rant about homeowners, many of them who relied on these idiots for advice, getting bailed out?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-4599634994794290533?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/4599634994794290533/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=4599634994794290533&amp;isPopup=true' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/4599634994794290533'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/4599634994794290533'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/03/jon-stewart-takes-on-santelli-and-cnbc.html' title='Jon Stewart Takes On Santelli and CNBC'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-1835566141058645180</id><published>2009-03-02T11:55:00.003-05:00</published><updated>2009-03-02T12:38:04.652-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='squares'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='homophobia'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='republicans'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='bigotry'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='nixon'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='gay marriage'/><title type='text'>Nixon on Archie Bunker, Gays, and Marijuana</title><content type='html'>This is hilarious, if you can forget for a moment that this man was President of the United States and that tens of millions of Americans probably still agree with him.  But we're supposed to believe opposition to gay marriage has nothing to do with homophobia.  Uh-huh.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/TivVcfSBVSM&amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;color2=0xcfcfcf&amp;hl=en&amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/TivVcfSBVSM&amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;color2=0xcfcfcf&amp;hl=en&amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Via &lt;a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/"&gt;Andrew Sullivan&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here's a &lt;a href="http://econ161.berkeley.edu/Politics/Nixon_on_Tape.html"&gt;partial transcript&lt;/a&gt; I found:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Then, inexplicably, Nixon turns to a prime-time show he had just watched on CBS and how they "were glorifying homosexuality."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"A panel show?" asks Ehrlichman.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Hell, no," responds Nixon.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Haldeman knows to what his boss refers. "No, it's a regular show. It's on every week," says Haldeman. "It's usually just done in the guy's home. It's usually just that guy, who's a hard-hat."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"That's right, he's a hard-hat."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"He always looks like a slob."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Looks like Jackie Gleason," says the president of the United States.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Haldeman, playing amateur TV critic, assists with word that "he has this hippie son-in-law and usually the general trend is to downgrade him and upgrade the son-in-law, make the square hard-hat out to be bad."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"But a few weeks ago," he continues, "they had one in which the guy, the son-in-law, wrote a letter to you, President Nixon, to raise hell about something. And the guy said, `You will not write that letter from my home!' Then said, `I'm going to write President Nixon.' Took off all these sloppy clothes, shaved and went to his desk and got ready to write his letter to President Nixon. And apparently it was a good episode."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"What's it called?" asks Ehrlichman.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;" `Archie's Guys,' " says Nixon, referring, of course, to "All in the Family."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Archie is sitting here with his hippie son-in-law, married to the screwball daughter," Nixon relates. "The son-in-law apparently goes both ways. This guy (enters). He's obviously queer, wears an ascot, but not offensively so. Very clever. Uses nice language. Shows pictures of his parents. And so Arch goes down to the bar. Sees his best friend, who used to play professional football. Virile, strong, this and that. Then the fairy comes into the bar."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nixon feels compelled to tell his chums: "I don't mind the homosexuality, I understand it . . . Nevertheless, goddamn, I don't think you glorify it on public television, homosexuality, even more than you glorify whores. We all know we have weaknesses. But, goddamn it, what do you think that does to kids? You know what happened to the Greeks! Homosexuality destroyed them. Sure, Aristotle was a homo. We all know that so was Socrates."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"But he never had the influence television had," Ehrlichman says, apparently referring to Socrates.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"You know what happened to the Romans?" says Professor Nixon. "The last six Roman emperors were fags. Neither in a public way. You know what happened to the popes? They (had sex with) the nuns, that's been goin' on for years, centuries. But the Catholic Church went to hell, three or four centuries ago. It was homosexual, and it had to be cleaned out. That's what's happened to Britain, it happened earlier to France."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Let's look at the strong societies," says Nixon. "The Russians. Goddamn, they root 'em out. They don't let 'em around at all. I don't know what they do with them. Look at this country. You think the Russians allow dope? Homosexuality, dope, immorality are the enemies of strong societies. That's why the communists and left-wingers are clinging to one another. They're trying to destroy us. I know Moynihan will disagree with this, (Atty. Gen. John) Mitchell will, and Garment will. But, goddamn, we have to stand up to this."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"It's fatal liberality," declares Ehrlichman, ever the sycophant.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Huh?" says Nixon.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"It's fatal liberality," says Ehrlichman. "And with its use on television, it has such leverage."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nixon asks Ehrlichman to consider northern California. "You know what's happened."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"San Francisco has just gone clear over," says Ehrlichman.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"But it's not just the ratty part of town," says Nixon. "The upper class in San Francisco is that way. The Bohemian Grove (an elite, secrecy-filled gathering outside San Francisco), which I attend from time to time. It is the most faggy goddamned thing you could ever imagine, with that San Francisco crowd. I can't shake hands with anybody from San Francisco."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nixon finishes things off by turning into an observer of ladies' fashions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Decorators. They got to do something. But we don't have to glorify it," says Nixon. "You know one of the reasons fashions have made women look so terrible is because the goddamned designers hate women. Designers taking it out on the women. Now they're trying to get some more sexy things coming on again."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Hot pants," says Ehrlichman.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Jesus Christ," murmurs the president.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-1835566141058645180?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/1835566141058645180/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=1835566141058645180&amp;isPopup=true' title='12 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/1835566141058645180'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/1835566141058645180'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/03/nixon-on-archie-bunker-gays-and.html' title='Nixon on Archie Bunker, Gays, and Marijuana'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>12</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-251510575307404490</id><published>2009-03-02T11:25:00.003-05:00</published><updated>2009-03-02T11:44:39.446-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='materialism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='neuroscience'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='atheism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='apologetics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='creationism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='soul'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='science'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='intelligent design'/><title type='text'>"Nonmaterialist Neuroscience": The New Creationism?</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/12859587/Neuroscience-and-the-soul"&gt;Neuroscience and the soul&lt;/a&gt;, via &lt;a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/03/neuro-soul.html#more"&gt;Andrew Sullivan&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;A new challenge to the science-religion relationship is currently at hand. We hope that, with careful consideration by scientists and theologians, it will not become the latest front in what some have called the “culture war” between science and religion. The challenge comes from neuroscience and concerns our understanding of human nature.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Most religions endorse the idea of a soul (or spirit) that is distinct from the physical body. Yet as neuroscience advances, it increasingly seems that all aspects of a person can be explained by the functioning of a material system...as neuroscience begins to reveal the mechanisms underlying personality, love, morality, and spirituality, the idea of a ghost in the machine becomes strained. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Brain imaging indicates that all of these traits have physical correlates in brain function. Furthermore, pharmacologic influences on these traits, as well as the effects of localized stimulation or damage, demonstrate that the brain processes in question are not mere correlates but are the physical bases of these central aspects of our personhood. If these aspects of the person are all features of the machine, why have a ghost at all?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By raising questions like this, it seems likely that neuroscience will pose a far more fundamental challenge than evolutionary biology to many religions. Predictably, then, some theologians and even neuroscientists are resisting the implications of modern cognitive and affective neuroscience. “Nonmaterialist neuroscience” has joined “intelligent design” as an alternative interpretation of scientific data.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I predict religions will react in the familiar pattern: Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;Denial&lt;/span&gt;: Those stupid atheist scientists don't know what they're talking about.  Did you hear about that one fMRI machine that was configured improperly?!  And just a little while ago, scientists were arguing that the mind was located in the heart!  Man, scientists are so dumb.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;Anger&lt;/span&gt;: THESE SCIENTISTS HATE GOD AND HATE AMERICA!  THEY'RE TRYING TO RUIN EVERYTHING GOOD ABOUT BEING HUMAN.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;Bargaining&lt;/span&gt;: Okay, maybe there's something to this whole neuroscience thing.  But it can't measure everything, and we can still squeeze a non-material soul into the gaps!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;Depression&lt;/span&gt;: Sigh.  Looks like neuroscience was right.  I guess life is meaningless and without purpose.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Acceptance&lt;/span&gt;: Of course there's no nonmaterial soul.  "Soul" is just metaphorical.  Everybody knows that.  Praise Jesus!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Fundamentalists will of course stay in the denial and anger zones for a long time, apologists in the bargaining, &lt;a href="http://modernorthoprax.blogspot.com/"&gt;XGH&lt;/a&gt; in the depression, and liberal theologians will enter acceptance a generation or two before the rest.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Atheists, of course, are ahead of the game.  The typical atheistic response is "Duh!"&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-251510575307404490?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/251510575307404490/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=251510575307404490&amp;isPopup=true' title='49 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/251510575307404490'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/251510575307404490'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/03/nonmaterialist-neuroscience-new.html' title='&quot;Nonmaterialist Neuroscience&quot;: The New Creationism?'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>49</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-1861072583790262286</id><published>2009-02-24T13:39:00.003-05:00</published><updated>2009-02-24T14:30:47.174-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='housing bubble'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='scapegoating'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='mortgage crisis'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='class wars'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='financial meltdown'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='economy'/><title type='text'>Stop Blaming The Borrowers</title><content type='html'>A guy walks into the doctor's office and says, doc, I want liposuction.  And the doctor has the guy's medical records and the records show that he has a heart condition and that there's a significant risk he won't make it through liposuction.  The doc says, no problem, just give me $5,000.  I'd be happy to do it.  The guy, who has no idea that his heart condition puts him at risk during surgery, dies on the table.  Who do we blame?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's so obvious a point I wouldn't think it needs mentioning, but too many people don't get it.  When you have a banker agreeing to lend an average guy $500,000, the average guy is going to assume the banker knows what he's doing.  Sure, he might suspect the banker's taking advantage of him to some extent, but it would probably never occur to him that there's a good chance he'd be unable to make his payments.  He wouldn't know that the real estate market might crash and that if it did, he'd be upside-down in his mortgage.  (In fact, he's probably never heard the term "upside-down" as it relates to mortgages.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The average American has an IQ of 100 and a high-school diploma.  He doesn't understand compound interest and isn't likely to have a good grasp of the nuances of housing markets or ARMs.  The guy in the fancy suit with all the big words tells him he can handle the mortgage.  And it's not just some guy who knocked on his door, but a man employed by a major national bank as an expert on mortgages.  What's he going to do?  Drill the guy on real estate markets and debt-to-income ratios?  Or just trust that the guy knows what he's doing?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Republicans have been gleefully passing around this video that shows what some rich asshole thinks of average Americans like that who got screwed on their mortgages.  They're "losers."  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/bEZB4taSEoA&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/bEZB4taSEoA&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;No compassion, no understanding.  Just pure rage.  Rage and hate.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oh, and by the way, here's Santelli on September 2nd, saying that the economy was healthy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/LRDyMG7d2sY&amp;rel=0&amp;color1=0x3a3a3a&amp;color2=0x999999&amp;hl=en&amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/LRDyMG7d2sY&amp;rel=0&amp;color1=0x3a3a3a&amp;color2=0x999999&amp;hl=en&amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm sure Republicans will soon be passing each other Santelli's next rant about how losers like himself are still rich and employed despite having been irresponsible and completely fucking wrong about the subject he is supposed to be an expert in.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here's &lt;a href="http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/02/on_so_called_irresponsible_borrowers.php"&gt;Matthew Yglesias&lt;/a&gt;, who says it better than I can:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Along with the absurd, Santelli-led revolt of the overclass against efforts to help middle class homeowners, there’s been a larger sense that “reasonable” people can all agree that there’s “plenty of blame to go around” and that on some level “irresponsible borrowers” deserve to take their lumps in all of this. I have my doubts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When someone applies for a mortgage, there are two parties to the transaction. On one side of it is a teacher or a blogger or an electrician or a lawyer or a nurse or a guy who manages a Home Depot. On the side is a guy who, for a living, as a professional, works in the “deciding on what terms to offer people mortgages” business who works, for a living, at a financial services business. Businesses like that got in the habit of making loans with little regard to actual prospects for long-term payment on the theory that since house prices were rising, the borrower could always sell or refinance. That, to repeat, wasn’t the judgment of electricians and store managers; it was the judgment of people who were professional mortgage-offerers. They, in turn, were being lax in part because they were finding it very easy to sell the mortgages off as securities. And it was easy to sell the mortgages as securities irregardless of their quality, because big sophisticated financial services firms devised tactics for slicing and dicing the securities into packages that could be easily resold. Those packages could, in turn, be easily resold because they had high ratings from the bond agencies. These ratings were based on models which held that a nationwide decline in housing prices was impossible. The ratings agencies and the modeling firms were, in turn, regulated by the U.S. government. And in addition to the formal regulatory agencies, there are a variety of public officials—the Chairman of the Federal Reserve, the President, the Secretary of the Treasury—who have a kind of generalized responsibility for oversight of the economy. Beyond the political system, the American media offers extensive coverage of business and real estate.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There really is plenty of blame to go around here. But I just don’t see how more than a tiny fraction of it could possible adhere to our electrician or teacher or secretary who’s decided, basically, that the financial services professionals and government regulators know what they’re doing. Now could she have known better? Sure. She could have been reading Dean Baker and Paul Krugman and others. The idea that this lending was all being undertaken on a false premise that a nationwide housing bust was impossible wasn’t a highly guarded secret. I was, for example, familiar with the chart above and with the analysis suggesting that a bust was, in fact, likely. And I believed that analysis. But at the same time, I write about U.S. public policy debates for a living. If there’s a dissident line of thinking that, despite its general unpopularity, is popular among left-of-center economists—well, that’s the kind of thing I know a lot about. But our nurse? Why would she know?&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-1861072583790262286?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/1861072583790262286/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=1861072583790262286&amp;isPopup=true' title='76 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/1861072583790262286'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/1861072583790262286'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/02/stop-blaming-borrowers.html' title='Stop Blaming The Borrowers'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>76</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-6401373457806335542</id><published>2009-02-18T12:31:00.008-05:00</published><updated>2009-02-18T14:06:05.043-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='global warming'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='propaganda'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='beliefs'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='science'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='war on science'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='survey'/><title type='text'>What Do Scientists Think About Global Warming?</title><content type='html'>In my previous post, I mocked the common tactic of listing as many scientists as one can find opposing a scientific consensus.  They do it frequently for scientists who disbelieve in man-made global warming, but also for creationism and other subjects.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here's a &lt;a href="http://www.rethinkingaids.com/quotes/rethinkers.htm"&gt;list of 2,648 people whose "doubts about AIDS are publicly known,"&lt;/a&gt; for example.  It includes scientists, doctors, nutritionists, lawyers, pharmacists, engineers, and for some reason a large number of mathematicians and physicists.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By contrast, the Republicans in the Senate only came up with 650 scientists who don't believe in man-made global warming.  (Here is the &lt;a href="http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&amp;amp;FileStore_id=83947f5d-d84a-4a84-ad5d-6e2d71db52d9"&gt;document&lt;/a&gt; (.pdf) linked to in a comment on my previous post by Ezzie with the claim that "science disagrees.")&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As I pointed out in my last post, listing the number of scientists who hold position A tells us nothing useful without also listing the number of scientists who hold position not-A.  (It would of course disprove the argument that NO scientists believe in A, but nobody actually makes that claim.  It's a straw man argument.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, because I'd like to know what's likely true rather than propagandize for  a point, I thought I'd look into just how many scientists really don't believe in man-made global warming &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;as compared to the number that do&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://tigger.uic.edu/%7Epdoran/012009_Doran_final.pdf"&gt;Examining the Scientific Consensus on Climate Change&lt;/a&gt; (.pdf) is the most recent answer to that question that I could find.  (I found it in the very well-sourced wikipedia article &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change"&gt;Scientific opinion on climate change&lt;/a&gt;.)  Published just last month in &lt;i&gt;Eos, Transactions, American Geophysical Union&lt;/i&gt;, a publication of the American Geophysical Union, the paper details the results of a poll of 10,257 Earth scientists (with 3,146 respondants.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The questions:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;1. When compared with pre-1800s levels, do you think that mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant?&lt;br /&gt;2. Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The answers:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Results show that overall, 90% of participants answered “risen” to question 1 and 82% answered yes to question 2. In general, as the level of active research and specialization in climate science increases, so does agreement with the two primary questions (Figure 1). In our survey, the most specialized and knowledgeable respondents (with regard to climate change) are those who listed climate science as their area of expertise and who also have published more than 50% of their recent peer-reviewed papers on the subject of climate change (79 individuals in total). Of these specialists, 96.2% (76 of 79) answered “risen” to question 1 and 97.4% (75 of 77) answered yes to question 2.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;They then compare these numbers to the beliefs of the general public.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/SZxWh2TXUjI/AAAAAAAAAKc/8dEEuoJ4oIA/s1600-h/chart.png"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 267px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/SZxWh2TXUjI/AAAAAAAAAKc/8dEEuoJ4oIA/s400/chart.png" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5304209600648008242" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Okay.  So the public is divided, but the 82% of scientists and 97.4% of scientists specializing in the subject come out on the same side.  Yes, it's a web survey, and yes, "is a significant contributing factor" is probably too vague.  But all of the other surveys (there are several more referred to on that wikipedia page, for example) come to similar numbers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here's just one more:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;In 2007, &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harris_Interactive" title="Harris Interactive"&gt;Harris Interactive&lt;/a&gt; surveyed 489 randomly selected members of either the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Meteorological_Society" title="American Meteorological Society"&gt;American Meteorological Society&lt;/a&gt; or the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Geophysical_Union" title="American Geophysical Union"&gt;American Geophysical Union&lt;/a&gt; for the &lt;a href="http://stats.org/about.htm" class="external text" title="http://stats.org/about.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;Statistical Assessment Service (STATS)&lt;/a&gt; at &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Mason_University" title="George Mason University"&gt;George Mason University&lt;/a&gt;. The survey found 97% agreed that global temperatures have increased during the past 100 years; 84% say they personally believe human-induced warming is occurring, and 74% agree that “currently available scientific evidence” substantiates its occurrence. Only 5% believe that that human activity does not contribute to greenhouse warming; the rest are unsure; and 84% believe global climate change poses a moderate to very great danger.&lt;sup id="cite_ref-74" class="reference"&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change#cite_note-74" title=""&gt;&lt;span&gt;[&lt;/span&gt;75&lt;span&gt;]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sup id="cite_ref-75" class="reference"&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change#cite_note-75" title=""&gt;&lt;span&gt;[&lt;/span&gt;76&lt;span&gt;]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think it's safe to say the large majority of scientists believe in man-made global warming.  Could they be wrong?  Of course, anything's possible.  But what could be the basis for assuming that they are wrong, let alone the extreme confidence with which many on the right make that claim?    I submit it's pure wishful thinking combined with a reflexive rejection of anything the "other side" believes.  Al Gore devotes his post-VP life to "spreading the gospel," ergo the gospel must be false.  And did you hear about his mansion?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These scientists are aware of Martian warming, and of sunspot activity, and of all the thousand other little straws the deniers have grasped at.  They are professionals in the field, and they've heard it all.  But they still believe.  To assume that you, a layperson, can better interpret the evidence than the majority of scientists is pure hubris.   This isn't the kind of thing where everybody's opinion is equally valid.  It's the kind of thing where some people are experts and most others are just talking out of their asses.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Presumably none of you deny the HIV-AIDS link, and even most of my religious readers have accepted that evolution is true, so why cling to this position?  What good reason do you have?  How can you be so sure?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And please, please stop with the "X number of scientists believe this!" garbage.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-6401373457806335542?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/6401373457806335542/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=6401373457806335542&amp;isPopup=true' title='19 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/6401373457806335542'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/6401373457806335542'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/02/what-do-scientists-think-about-global.html' title='What Do Scientists Think About Global Warming?'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/SZxWh2TXUjI/AAAAAAAAAKc/8dEEuoJ4oIA/s72-c/chart.png' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>19</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-3695530326610871640</id><published>2009-02-17T12:39:00.005-05:00</published><updated>2009-02-17T13:28:43.791-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='george will'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='global warming'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pseudoscience'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='propaganda'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='climate change'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='what liberal media'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='media'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='science'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='republicans'/><title type='text'>How Republicans Lie About Climate Change</title><content type='html'>The &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change"&gt;majority of climate scientists&lt;/a&gt; all over the world believe that climate change is happening, that carbon emissions are a big part of it, and that it's a big deal.  Republicans?  Not so much.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here's &lt;a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/13/AR2009021302514.html?sub=AR"&gt;George Will&lt;/a&gt;, the Republicans' version of an intellectual, in the "liberal" Washington Post:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;According to the University of Illinois' Arctic Climate Research Center, global sea ice levels now equal those of 1979.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ok, good.  That's a simple, factual claim.  Quite easy to check.  The Washington Post's fact-checkers don't need to measure global sea ice levels -- they just need to check that the Arctic Climate Research Center says what Will says they say.  And because everybody knows the Washington Post is liberal (that's sarcasm, folks) they obviously would have rushed to prove him wrong.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/02/where_theres_a_george_will_theres_a_way_to_deny_gl.php"&gt;They don't&lt;/a&gt;.  The &lt;a href="http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/"&gt;ACRC&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;We do not know where George Will is getting his information, but our data shows that on February 15, 1979, global sea ice area was 16.79 million sq. km and on February 15, 2009, global sea ice area was 15.45 million sq. km. Therefore, global sea ice levels are 1.34 million sq. km less in February 2009 than in February 1979. This decrease in sea ice area is roughly equal to the area of Texas, California, and Oklahoma combined.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is disturbing that the Washington Post would publish such information without first checking the facts.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Okay, so that's just a straight-up lie.  No problem, it's easy to debunk lies.  But disingenuous implications are harder.  Will again:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;[A]ccording to the World Meteorological Organization, there has been no recorded global warming for more than a decade.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He cites his source again.  Good!  We can check.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oops.  The &lt;a href="http://www.elrst.com/2008/04/16/la-ninas-cooling-effect-is-only-temporary/"&gt;WMO&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The long-term upward trend of global warming, mostly driven by greenhouse gas emissions, is continuing. Global temperatures in 2008 are expected to be above the long-term average. The decade from 1998 to 2007 has been the warmest on record, and the global average surface temperature has risen by 0.74C since the beginning of the 20th Century. [...] "For detecting climate change you should not look at any particular year, but instead examine the trends over a sufficiently long period of time. The current trend of temperature globally is very much indicative of warming," World Meteorological Organization Secretary-General, Mr Michel Jarraud said in response to media inquiries on current temperature "anomalies".&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yes, George, if you choose the hottest year in recent memory as your baseline, most years since then will be cooler.  That doesn't mean warming stopped.  The decade beginning with the year you chose as your baseline has been the warmest on record.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's hilarious listening to Republicans on climate change.  When they're not outright lying, it's just total amateur hour.  They'll start talking about sunspots and Martian temperatures and how that one measuring station is totally right next to a heating vent.  But they don't know what they're talking about.  They're just like creationists who go on and on about this fossil or that footprint and how obviously the eye is too complex to have evolved.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(It's always "obvious," too.  It's not just that the majority of scientists are wrong, it's that they're OBVIOUSLY wrong.  Most of the smartest and most expert people on Earth are wrong, but Joe the Plumber's got the truth.  Right.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now there are of course some scientists who don't believe in climate change just as there are some who don't believe in evolution.  It's just that they're vastly outnumbered.  (Yes, Einstein was outnumbered at first.  Science isn't a democracy, and sometimes the minority is right.  But when they're right they can generally prove it, and win over the majority.  That's what makes it science rather than, say, religion.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Republicans love to list all the scientists they can find who don't believe in global warming.  Now an honest person would then compare that number to the list of all the scientists they could find that do believe in global warming.  But they don't do that.  They're not interested in honesty.  Their arguments are one-sided.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://ncseweb.org/taking-action/project-steve"&gt;Project Steve&lt;/a&gt; is a great parody of that tactic as used by creationists.  You may have seen the lists of scientists who don't believe in evolution, numbering in the hundreds.  &lt;a href="http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?command=download&amp;amp;id=660"&gt;Here's one&lt;/a&gt; (.pdf) from The Discovery Institute.  (See kids, even scientists don't believe in evolution!)  Project Steve decided that they would create a list just of scientists named Steve (or variants thereof) to highlight the ridiculousness of that technique.  A couple of days ago they reached a thousand.  There are more scientists named Steve who believe in evolution than scientists with all names who don't.  Ouch.  I'm sure the folks at The Discovery Institute will change their minds based on this new evidence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally, George Will again trots out the lie that the scientific community believed in global cooling just a few decades ago.  &lt;a href="http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/ezraklein_archive?month=02&amp;amp;year=2009&amp;amp;base_name=george_will_embraces_plainism"&gt;Ezra Klein&lt;/a&gt; puts it best:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;There needs to be some sort of Godwin's Law variant for conservatives who try to argue against global warming because they remember that Newsweek dipped into pop-science in the mid-70s and touted "global cooling." Call it Will's Law, after George Will, the supposedly cerebral conservative who brings this up every time he doesn't have a better column idea.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For a good summary on the global cooling myth -- an idea that took root in the popular press but never in the scientific literature -- go sit in on the free lecture provided by the folks at &lt;a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=94"&gt;Real Climate&lt;/a&gt;. Will makes a lot of the 1975 Newsweek cover on the subject, but the more telling document is a National Academy of Sciences report from the same year. The report argued that climate change is the product of many potential forces and the state of the science wasn't yet advanced enough to discern which would prove decisive. To put it in the NAS's own words, "we do not have a good quantitative understanding of our climate machine and what determines its course. Without the fundamental understanding, it does not seem possible to predict climate." As such, they recommended "a major new program of research designed to increase our understanding of climatic change and to lay the foundation for its prediction."&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-3695530326610871640?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/3695530326610871640/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=3695530326610871640&amp;isPopup=true' title='16 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/3695530326610871640'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/3695530326610871640'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/02/how-republicans-lie-about-climate.html' title='How Republicans Lie About Climate Change'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>16</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-3191832838304411079</id><published>2009-02-09T13:37:00.003-05:00</published><updated>2009-02-09T13:43:47.213-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='family values'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='prop 8'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='gay marriage'/><title type='text'>Defending Marriage By Destroying Marriages</title><content type='html'>That's the logic of Ken Starr (previously obsessed with Bill Clinton's penis) who has &lt;a href="http://vimeo.com/3089746"&gt;filed a brief&lt;/a&gt; on behalf of the Yes on Prop 8 crowd to retroactively annul the 18,000 couples married in California last year before Prop 8 was passed. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Republican "family values" at work.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is the response from the &lt;a href="http://www.couragecampaign.org/"&gt;Courage Campaign&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object height="302" width="400"&gt;&lt;param name="allowfullscreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=3089746&amp;amp;server=vimeo.com&amp;amp;show_title=1&amp;amp;show_byline=1&amp;amp;show_portrait=0&amp;amp;color=&amp;amp;fullscreen=1"&gt;&lt;embed src="http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=3089746&amp;amp;server=vimeo.com&amp;amp;show_title=1&amp;amp;show_byline=1&amp;amp;show_portrait=0&amp;amp;color=&amp;amp;fullscreen=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" height="302" width="400"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-3191832838304411079?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/3191832838304411079/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=3191832838304411079&amp;isPopup=true' title='28 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/3191832838304411079'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/3191832838304411079'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/02/defending-marriage-by-destroying.html' title='Defending Marriage By Destroying Marriages'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>28</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-3372131420860252198</id><published>2009-02-06T09:43:00.005-05:00</published><updated>2009-02-06T10:20:55.688-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='hypocrisy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Catholicism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='catholics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pope benedict'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='church'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pomposity'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pope'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='john paul'/><title type='text'>Catholics and the Pope</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/SYxO4zTFkII/AAAAAAAAAKM/dYYNLbeFFmc/s1600-h/Pope%2BBenedict%2BXVI.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: pointer; width: 397px; height: 400px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/SYxO4zTFkII/AAAAAAAAAKM/dYYNLbeFFmc/s400/Pope%2BBenedict%2BXVI.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5299697599258136706" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here's what I don't understand.  How do grown men and women take Catholicism seriously when the pope is so ridiculous? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sure, there are crazy rabbis and plenty of crazy imams, but none is officially the head of their whole religion.  In the pope, you have all the hypocrisy and evil and pomposity of religion wrapped up in one man.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now the current pope isn't as bad as, say, &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Alexander_VI"&gt;Alexander VI&lt;/a&gt;, but he's hardly a paragon of moral virtue or wisdom.  Shortly after &lt;a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/03/AR2009020303453.html?hpid=sec-religion"&gt;un-excommunicating a holocaust-denying bishop&lt;/a&gt;, he has &lt;a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/02/pope-controversial-austrian-bishop"&gt;named a guy&lt;/a&gt; who said Hurricane Katrina was "God's punishment" and that the Harry Potter books spread Satanism to bishop. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Before he was pope, he and the previous pope &lt;a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20050423/ai_n14599324/pg_1"&gt;covered up&lt;/a&gt; the child-abusing spree of Marciel Maciel.  (He's also an overtly anti-gay man who wears a dress and bright red Prada shoes and has suspiciously handsome assistants, but that sort of argument is beneath this blog.  Yeah right.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All the popes dress in ridiculously over-the-top costumes and live in gigantic palaces controlling &lt;a href="http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,833509,00.html"&gt;10-15$ billion in wealth&lt;/a&gt; while preaching against greed and materialism and pretending to be against povery.  I mean, seriously, how does a grown person look at this guy and see a spiritual leader?  It's beyond me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/SYxTNT_mliI/AAAAAAAAAKU/agneyTWAEx4/s1600-h/04-15-pope.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: pointer; width: 267px; height: 400px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/SYxTNT_mliI/AAAAAAAAAKU/agneyTWAEx4/s400/04-15-pope.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5299702349678679586" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-3372131420860252198?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/3372131420860252198/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=3372131420860252198&amp;isPopup=true' title='23 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/3372131420860252198'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/3372131420860252198'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/02/catholics-and-pope.html' title='Catholics and the Pope'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/SYxO4zTFkII/AAAAAAAAAKM/dYYNLbeFFmc/s72-c/Pope%2BBenedict%2BXVI.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>23</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-7945391797097260401</id><published>2009-02-04T10:52:00.005-05:00</published><updated>2009-02-04T11:29:15.852-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='economics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='obama'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='stimulus'/><title type='text'>Republican "Economics" and Propaganda</title><content type='html'>Nobel-winning actual economist Paul Krugman:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;But the part that really got me was Broder saying that we need “the best ideas from both parties.” &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; You see, this isn’t a brainstorming session — it’s a collision of fundamentally incompatible world views. If one thing is clear from the stimulus debate, it’s that the two parties have utterly different economic doctrines. Democrats believe in something more or less like standard textbook macroeconomics; Republicans believe in a doctrine under which &lt;a href="http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2009/02/budget_surplus.html"&gt;tax cuts are the universal elixir&lt;/a&gt;, and government spending is almost always bad.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;The Republicans are really pissing me off.  They have no legislative power, but they continue to play the media like a fiddle.  Democrats control the White House, the Senate, and the House, but the great "liberal" media has had &lt;a href="http://mediamatters.org/countyfair/200901290019?show=1"&gt;twice as many&lt;/a&gt; Republicans as Democrats on t.v. discussing the stimulus package.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And the Republicans are singing the same song as always: tax cuts!  Wait, they're singing that other song, too: the experts are wrong!  It's so obvious!  So what if basically all the scientists in the world say that anthropogenic global warming is happening?  All you need is common sense to tell you that's a lie!  What do those stupid scientists know?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now economics is a much softer "science" than climatology, it's true.  But it's not like economists are dumber than your average television pundit.  They're smart, and they base their opinions on data.  And when the data change, their opinions change.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Republicans, on the other hand?  Different data, same opinion.  Economy booming?  Tax cuts!  Gas prices rising?  Tax cuts!  Economy tanking?  Tax cuts!  Two wars?  Tax cuts!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another article by Krugman, called &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/26/opinion/26krugman.html"&gt;Bad Faith Economics&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;As the debate over President Obama’s economic stimulus plan gets under way, one thing is certain: many of the plan’s opponents aren’t arguing in good faith. Conservatives really, really don’t want to see a second New Deal, and they certainly don’t want to see government activism vindicated. So they are reaching for any stick they can find with which to beat proposals for increased government spending.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some of these arguments are obvious cheap shots. John Boehner, the House minority leader, has already made headlines with one such shot: looking at an $825 billion plan to rebuild infrastructure, sustain essential services and more, he derided a minor provision that would expand Medicaid family-planning services — and called it a plan to “spend hundreds of millions of dollars on contraceptives.” &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But the obvious cheap shots don’t pose as much danger to the Obama administration’s efforts to get a plan through as arguments and assertions that are equally fraudulent but can seem superficially plausible to those who don’t know their way around economic concepts and numbers. So as a public service, let me try to debunk some of the major antistimulus arguments that have already surfaced. Any time you hear someone reciting one of these arguments, write him or her off as a dishonest flack.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Next, write off anyone who asserts that it’s always better to cut taxes than to increase government spending because taxpayers, not bureaucrats, are the best judges of how to spend their money.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here’s how to think about this argument: it implies that we should shut down the air traffic control system. After all, that system is paid for with fees on air tickets — and surely it would be better to let the flying public keep its money rather than hand it over to government bureaucrats. If that would mean lots of midair collisions, hey, stuff happens.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The point is that nobody really believes that a dollar of tax cuts is always better than a dollar of public spending. Meanwhile, it’s clear that when it comes to economic stimulus, public spending provides much more bang for the buck than tax cuts — and therefore costs less per job created (see the previous fraudulent argument) — because a large fraction of any tax cut will simply be saved. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This suggests that public spending rather than tax cuts should be the core of any stimulus plan. But rather than accept that implication, conservatives take refuge in a nonsensical argument against public spending in general.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Obama preemptively compromised with the Republicans by providing huge tax cuts as part of the stimulus package.  In return, he got nothing.  ZERO Republican votes in the House.  Let's hope he stops pretending that the Republicans are acting in good faith or have any good ideas at all sooner rather than later.  There's no sense in weakening the stimulus, and therefore the economy, to appease a bunch of know-nothing dogmatists with no actual power.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I've leave you with a &lt;a href="http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/01/the_incredible_fatuousness_of_steele.php"&gt;quote&lt;/a&gt; from the genius just voted RNC Chairman:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;You and I know that in the history of mankind and womankind, government—federal, state or local—has never created one job. It’s destroyed a lot of them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Clearly a rational man well-versed in economics and history.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-7945391797097260401?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/7945391797097260401/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=7945391797097260401&amp;isPopup=true' title='15 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/7945391797097260401'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/7945391797097260401'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/02/republican-economics-and-propaganda.html' title='Republican &quot;Economics&quot; and Propaganda'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>15</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-1207594767664727925</id><published>2009-01-05T10:34:00.005-05:00</published><updated>2009-01-05T11:29:40.503-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='just war'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='rhetoric'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='israel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='terrorism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='propaganda'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='gaza'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='framing'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='victimology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='war'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='assymetric warfare'/><title type='text'>Israel and Gaza</title><content type='html'>Supporters of Israel's actions in Gaza have attempted to frame the argument on the questions of whether Israel has the right to defend itself (of course) and whether Israel is in general morally superior to Hamas (who cares?)  I assume they frame the argument that way because it makes them feel like their side is obviously correct and anyone who disagrees is just an antisemite or a liberal, and probably both.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here are the questions which should be asked about any military operation:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1) Is the strategic objective a good one?&lt;br /&gt;2) Will the operation likely bring about the objective?&lt;br /&gt;3) Does the objective justify the means used in the operation?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Israel has a good strategic objective -- to stop the arbitrary bombing of Israeli civilians by Hamas.  More broadly, it aims to reduce the number of Israeli casualties as well as to reduce the terror caused by the rocket attacks.  These are understandable and perfectly commendable goals.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But will the attacks on Gaza bring about that objective?  I'm quite skeptical, and the recent failure in Lebanon only brings more skepticism.  The truth is, it's just not that hard to fire missiles into Israel from right next door.  Killing a bunch of Hamas policemen isn't going to stop it.  Qassam rockets don't need uranium or centrifuges or radar or aircraft or special fuel or even a big launcher.  Anybody can make one in his basement with a few common tools and components.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Not only will the attacks probably fail to bring about the objective, but there is a good chance that they will bring about the anti-objective.  By killing so many Palestinians and terrorizing and inconveniencing and making the lives miserable of so many more, they mobilize anti-Israel and anti-semitic sentiments among the Palestinians.  The inevitable reprisals will no doubt kill more Israelis than all the Qassam rockets in the history of the conflict.  And that's not even counting Israeli soldiers who die during the operation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The biggest problem with the operation, though, is the answer to the third question.  Does the objective of stopping the rockets justify the means Israel is using, even if it did acheive that objective?  I guess that depends on the ratio of Palestinian to Israeli casualties you deem acceptable.  Is it acceptable to kill a hundred Palestinian civilians and destroy the homes and livelihoods of thousands of them and the infrastructure that supports millions of them to save a dozen Israeli lives?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'll leave you with two paragraphs from &lt;a href="http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/01/why_they_fight.php"&gt;Matthew Yglesias&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;One way to reply to [the idea that intentions are what matter] is &lt;a href="http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/ezraklein_archive?month=12&amp;amp;year=2008&amp;amp;base_name=an_occupied_nation_and_a_threa"&gt;à la Ezra Klein&lt;/a&gt; who observes that at some point you need to judge based on what’s actually happening. And what’s been happening is that whatever Hamas’ ambitions may or may not have been, they were scattering short-range inaccurate rocket fire on Israel that was causing little damage. Israel struck back with actions that have killed hundreds of Palestinians and pushed over a million more closer to the brink of starvation. And in general this is an important aspect of the conflict — irrespective of intentions, over the years you have many more dead Palestinian civilians than Israeli civilians.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But another piece of the puzzle is that though American Jewish liberals tend to take a lot of comfort in the idea of Israel’s good intentions and good faith throughout this whole process, there’s a reason approximately no Arabs anywhere in the world see it that way. All throughout the “peace process” years — through the good ones and through the bad ones — Israel continued expanding both the geographical footprint of its settlements and the population living upon them. For most of this time, Israel has often appeared unwilling to enforce &lt;em&gt;domestic Israeli law&lt;/em&gt; on the settler population, to say nothing of abiding by international law or agreements made. And while Israel has stated a desire to leave the Gaza Palestinians alone in their tiny, overcrowded, economically unviable enclave, the “disengagement” from Gaza has never entailed letting Palestinians control their borders or exercise meaningful sovereignty over the area. The proposal has basically been that if Palestinians cease violence against Israel, then the Gaza Strip will be treated like an Indian reservation. Israel’s policy objectives in the West Bank appear to be first seizing the choice bits of it, and then withdrawing behind a wall with the residual West Bank treating like post-”disengagement” Gaza.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You can argue until the cows come home about who has the moral high ground, but at the end of the day Israel has killed far more Palestinian civilians than vice versa, not only in this military action, but throughout the history of the conflict.  Israel has continued to build "settlements," often aimed specifically at expanding Israel's territory and strategic holdings and to make a self-contained Palestinian state impossible.  In doing so, it's not only been morally wrong, but breaking its own laws.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is no excuse for Hamas to fire rockets at Israeli civilians.  But just because Hamas is a terrorist organization doesn't mean that anything Israel does in response is justified.  Israel must make sure its military operations are both effective and moral.  The framing of the argument away from those relevant questions to a place where Israel gets to play the wholly innocent victim ("We aren't allowed to defend ourselves??"  "We're worse than Hamas??")  and much of the western world gets painted as antisemitic is just disingenuous.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Please don't respond by asking for alternatives, or by saying Israel has to do &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;something&lt;/span&gt;, as if the lack of alternatives makes any counterproductive and immoral operation a good choice.  And don't whine about media bias or antisemitism or any other change of topic.  You have to demonstrate that &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;this specific military action&lt;/span&gt; is moral and likely to succeed in order to win this argument.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-1207594767664727925?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/1207594767664727925/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=1207594767664727925&amp;isPopup=true' title='274 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/1207594767664727925'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/1207594767664727925'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/01/israel-and-gaza.html' title='Israel and Gaza'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>274</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-8763642742524589456</id><published>2008-12-18T14:48:00.004-05:00</published><updated>2008-12-18T15:06:29.563-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='church and state'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='obama'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='homophobia'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='christianism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='christian right'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='rick warren'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='politics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='gay marriage'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='abortion'/><title type='text'>Rick Warren to Speak at Obama's Inauguration</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/17/warren-invocation/"&gt;Matt Duss&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Pastor Rick Warren will &lt;a href="http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/12/rick_warren_to_give_invocation.php"&gt;deliver the invocation&lt;/a&gt; at President-elect Barack Obama’s inauguration on Jan. 20. While he is a recognizable celebrity and best-selling author, Warren also advocates a number of deeply anti-progressive views. He &lt;a href="http://www.americablog.com/2008/12/obama-picks-homophobe-pro-prop.html"&gt;supported California’s anti-gay marriage Proposition 8&lt;/a&gt; and has &lt;a href="http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=12&amp;amp;year=2008&amp;amp;base_name=rick_warren_doth_protest_too_m"&gt;likened gay marriage to polygamy and incest&lt;/a&gt;. He is strongly anti-choice, and has &lt;a href="http://christianpost.com/article/20081217/rick-warren-not-satisfied-with-making-abortions-rare.htm"&gt;equated abortion to the Holocaust&lt;/a&gt;. Warren also &lt;a href="http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2008/12/04/warren-stopping-evil/"&gt;supports the assassination of foreign leaders&lt;/a&gt;. Appearing on Fox’s Hannity and Colmes on December 3, Warren agreed with Sean Hannity’s assertion that “we need to take him [Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad] out,” saying that stopping evil “is the legitimate role of government.” He added, “The Bible says that God puts government on earth to punish evildoers.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Just revolting.  Warren is well-known for emphasizing issues like environmentalism and social justice unlike Christian nuts who are 100% Republican partisans, which I suppose is a step in the right direction, but he's still a largely right-wing regligious nut.  Aren't there enough left-wing religious nuts out there? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Republicans tried to convince us that Obama's attendance at Wright's church proved that Obama is anti-White and anti-American.  That is and has always been a ridiculous argument.  There is not a hint of evidence that Obama shared Wright's views and his tone could not be more different.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What Obama's attendance at Wright's church proved is that Obama's perfectly happy to associate with religious nuts when it proves useful politically.  Maybe this sort of thing will help move Christians leftward.  But it's not something I have an easy time stomaching.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Obama &lt;a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/12/18/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4675325.shtml"&gt;has responded&lt;/a&gt; to the controversy:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Mr. Obama himself responded to the growing controversy when prompted by a question during a news conference today designed to announce a &lt;a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/12/18/business/main4675318.shtml" onclick="return linkTo(this);" class="link"&gt;trio of financial regulators&lt;/a&gt;. The president-elect stressed that he is a "fierce advocate for equality for gay and lesbian Americans," but said it was also important for Americans to come together despite disagreements on social issues.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mr. Obama said the inauguration would include people with a wide variety of viewpoints represented and "that's how it should be."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He also pointed out that he was invited by Warren a few years ago to speak at his church, despite his disagreement with Warren on those issues. "That dialogue is part of what my campaign has been about," he added. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If Warren opposed interracial marriages instead of gay marriages, I'm pretty sure Obama wouldn't be having him at the inauguration.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-8763642742524589456?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/8763642742524589456/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=8763642742524589456&amp;isPopup=true' title='64 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/8763642742524589456'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/8763642742524589456'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2008/12/rick-warren-to-speak-at-obamas.html' title='Rick Warren to Speak at Obama&apos;s Inauguration'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>64</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-5594858299730672721</id><published>2008-12-17T13:46:00.003-05:00</published><updated>2008-12-17T14:14:13.271-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='at risk teens'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='1984'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='thought police'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodoxy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='kids'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='censorship'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pleasantville'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='off the derech'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='drugs'/><title type='text'>The Single Greatest Problem in Orthodox Communities</title><content type='html'>Do you want to know why so many people leave their Orthodox communities?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's because the communities engage in social shunning of anybody who doesn't fit in.  It used to be that communities contained both ultra-Orthodox rabbis and people who drove to shul on shabbos.  Talmud scholars and those who thought the whole Talmud was a bunch of nonsense.  Those with OCD-levels of halakhic compliance and those who sometimes ate shellfish.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now if you're different in any way, you're shunned.  Orthodox Jews have gotten so terrified of exposing their children to anyone who they deem a bad role model that they just kick out everybody who's not perfect (by their standards.)  And they do it to kids, too.  In many right-wing communities, if you talk to girls on a Saturday night, you might as well be a crack dealer.  They'll treat you the same way.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have a friend who was suspended from a right-wing yeshiva for reading secular novels.  Many friends in Israel were not allowed any secular magazines.  A well-respected yeshiva allowed either a computer or a phone line, but not both.  God-forbid a bochur accesses the internet.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Do you think it was like this in the shtetls of Europe?  You think there weren't open apikorsim and people who worked on shabbos in the same communities as the greatest Torah scholars?  There were.  Talk to people who are old enough to remember.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My grandfather was from Lithuania.  He was a rabbi from a long line of rabbis.  He shook his head at this nonsense going on now with the know-nothing black-hatters who think everybody's got to be a certain way.  He told one of them, a young up-and-comer more right-wing than most, "You know, it was never like this in Lithuania."  The rabbi's answer?  "This isn't Lithuania."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You want to keep kids from leaving?  Let them have beliefs that aren't 100% Orthodox.  Don't make them hide it, or be ashamed.  Let adults voice their honest beliefs and questions and doubts.  Even if Orthodoxy is correct, there's no way everybody in these communities believes the party line.  Quit being the thought police.  Show the kids that there are alternatives in life.  You shouldn't have to be only one kind of person to live in your neighborhoods.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Want to keep kids off drugs?  Don't dismiss the ones who don't fit in as "rejects" or "bad apples" and maybe they won't start hanging out with all the other "rejects" and "bad apples."  Don't pretend marijuana's the same as heroin.  Don't act like talking to girls leads to stealing cars.  Don't denigrate women or girls who wear pants as if they are prostitutes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You think halakha is the One True Way?  Fine.  Tell your kids that.  Tell your neighbors.  But you don't have to frantically hide your kids from everybody who thinks maybe God didn't write the Torah.  You can disagree with homosexuality without kicking gay adults (even those with partners!) out of your neighborhoods and letting kids know that they'd better stay in the closet until they're old enough to get the hell out.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You guys are trying to create this ideal society where everybody does the right things and thinks the right things all the time, where "right" is defined so narrowly as to be impossible for at least 20-30% of your children.  Grow the hell up and join the real world, where not everybody agrees with you and not everybody has to act exactly the same.  I mean, the whole everybody wear black-and-white with the same kind of black hat is a parody of itself.  This isn't a religion, it's a fantasy world.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This post inspired by &lt;a href="http://serandez.blogspot.com/2008/12/gedolim-or-bust.html"&gt;G's post&lt;/a&gt; at Serandez.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-5594858299730672721?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/5594858299730672721/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=5594858299730672721&amp;isPopup=true' title='40 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/5594858299730672721'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/5594858299730672721'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2008/12/single-greatest-problem-in-orthodox.html' title='The Single Greatest Problem in Orthodox Communities'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>40</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-997407472874301607</id><published>2008-12-15T11:50:00.009-05:00</published><updated>2008-12-15T12:16:27.303-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='impeachment'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='hypocrisy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='lynndie england'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='torture'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='war crimes'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='cowardice'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='abuse'/><title type='text'>Bush and Rumsfeld Are War Criminals and Cowards</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/images/2008/03/19/lynndie_england.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: pointer; width: 350px; height: 263px;" src="http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/images/2008/03/19/lynndie_england.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Authorization for torture at Guantanamo and in Iraq and Afghanistan came from the highest levels of government:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and Ranking Member John McCain (R-Ariz.) today released the executive summary and conclusions of the Committee’s report of its inquiry into the treatment of detainees in U.S. custody.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;From the &lt;a href="http://levin.senate.gov/newsroom/supporting/2008/Detainees.121108.pdf"&gt;executive summary and conclusions&lt;/a&gt; (.pdf):&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Senate Armed Services Committee Conclusions&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Conclusion 1&lt;/span&gt;: On February 7, 2002, President George W. Bush made a written determination that Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions, which would have afforded minimum standards for humane treatment, did not apply to al Qaeda or Taliban detainees. Following the President’s determination, techniques such as waterboarding, nudity, and stress positions, used in SERE training to simulate tactics used by enemies that refuse to follow the Geneva Conventions, were authorized for use in interrogations of detainees in U.S. custody.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Conclusion 2&lt;/span&gt;: Members of the President’s Cabinet and other senior officials participated in meetings inside the White House in 2002 and 2003 where specific interrogation techniques were discussed. National Security Council Principals reviewed the CIA’s interrogation program during that period.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Conclusions on SERE Training Techniques and Interrogations&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Conclusion 3&lt;/span&gt;: The use of techniques similar to those used in SERE resistance training – such as stripping students of their clothing, placing them in stress positions, putting hoods over their heads, and treating them like animals – was at odds with the commitment to humane treatment of detainees in U.S. custody. Using those techniques for interrogating detainees was also inconsistent with the goal of collecting accurate intelligence information, as the purpose of SERE resistance training is to increase the ability of U.S. personnel to resist abusive interrogations and the techniques used were based, in part, on Chinese Communist techniques used during the Korean War to elicit false confessions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Conclusion 4&lt;/span&gt;: The use of techniques in interrogations derived from SERE resistance training created a serious risk of physical and psychological harm to detainees. The SERE schools employ strict controls to reduce the risk of physical and psychological harm to students during training. Those controls include medical and psychological screening for students, interventions by trained psychologists during training, and code words to ensure that students can stop the application of a technique at any time should the need arise. Those same controls are not present in real world interrogations.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Conclusion 13&lt;/span&gt;: Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld’s authorization of aggressive interrogation techniques for use at Guantanamo Bay was a direct cause of detainee abuse there. Secretary Rumsfeld’s December 2, 2002 approval of Mr. Haynes’s recommendation that most of the techniques contained in GTMO’s October 11, 2002 request be authorized, influenced and contributed to the use of abusive techniques, including military working dogs, forced nudity, and stress positions, in Afghanistan and Iraq.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Conclusion 19&lt;/span&gt;: The abuse of detainees at Abu Ghraib in late 2003 was not simply the result of a few soldiers acting on their own. Interrogation techniques such as stripping detainees of their clothes, placing them in stress positions, and using military working dogs to intimidate them appeared in Iraq only after they had been approved for use in Afghanistan and at GTMO. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld’s December 2, 2002 authorization of aggressive interrogation techniques and subsequent interrogation policies and plans approved by senior military and civilian officials conveyed the message that physical pressures and degradation were appropriate treatment for detainees in U.S. military custody. What followed was an erosion in standards dictating that detainees be treated humanely.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;President Bush and his administration blamed the torture that went on at Guantanamo Bay on a "few bad apples" and let Lynndie England hang out to dry while he and Rumsfeld continued on their merry way.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;England went to prison, as she should have.  Why is Bush still sitting in the White House?  Why is Don Rumsfeld a free man?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(HT: &lt;a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/12/the-architects.html"&gt;Andrew Sullivan&lt;/a&gt;, who has been relentless on the torture issue.)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-997407472874301607?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/997407472874301607/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=997407472874301607&amp;isPopup=true' title='11 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/997407472874301607'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/997407472874301607'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2008/12/bush-and-rumsfeld-are-war-criminals-and.html' title='Bush and Rumsfeld Are War Criminals and Cowards'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>11</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-5460899450384470223</id><published>2008-12-10T12:03:00.002-05:00</published><updated>2008-12-10T20:48:11.140-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='passing'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='wedding'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='parents'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='kippah'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='frumkeit'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><title type='text'>Wearing the Frum "Costume"</title><content type='html'>Abandoning Eden used the word "costume" to describe how she was expected to dress at her parents' house (in &lt;a href="http://abandoningeden.blogspot.com/2008/12/things-fall-apart-center-cannot-hold.html"&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt;) and I thought that was brilliant.  For me, it's a simple matter of putting on a kippah but it still grates.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Have you noticed that Orthodox Jews think it's just basic respect to wear a kippah in their homes, but would never consider returning the favor by not wearing one in yours?  Not that I'd ever ask someone to remove a kippah in my home, of course!  We non-Orthodox don't need to engage in that sort of manipulation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I've (implicitly) compromised with my parents as follows: if I'm going for a shabbat or yom tov meal, I will wear a kippah.  If I'm going to frum relatives' home with them, I wear it.  But if I go to my parents' house on a weeknight or something, no kippah.  Everybody seems pretty okay with this situation (my parents are more tolerant than most Orthodox, luckily.)  The only friction lately has been what happens if we go to a kosher restaurant together.  Mostly, I've been sucking it up and wearing one so they don't have to stress about what the neighbors will think, but I hate doing it.  Last time, I didn't bring one but my father brought one for me and I ended up putting it on.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But now there are two events coming up that I'm not sure about.  One is an engagement party for me (and my fiancee, of course!) at their house, and the other is the wedding itself.  (See &lt;a href="http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2008/07/how-orthodox-will-my-wedding-be.html"&gt;How Orthodox Will My Wedding Be?&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think I'm going to suck it up and wear it for the engagement party, which will have a lot of my parents' Orthodox friends, but it sucks to have to pretend to be frum, even just a little.  I'll keep telling myself it's out of "respect," whatever that means.  At the wedding, I'll wear it for the ceremony, which is Orthodox (again, out of "respect" for my parents) but I don't think I'm up to wearing it for the reception.  And yet my parents' frum friends and family will be at the reception, too!  My parents are going to warn everybody who needs warning that there will be mixed dancing (gasp!) and a band with a female singer (GASP!) so that should weed out the more sensitive folks already, but I'm still pretty sure my parents would want me to wear the kippah.  But hey, it's my party, and I'm not wearing a damn costume.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Guess I need to have a talk with the folks.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-5460899450384470223?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/5460899450384470223/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=5460899450384470223&amp;isPopup=true' title='106 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/5460899450384470223'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/5460899450384470223'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2008/12/wearing-frum-costume.html' title='Wearing the Frum &quot;Costume&quot;'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>106</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-5783729765367527164</id><published>2008-12-10T11:27:00.005-05:00</published><updated>2008-12-10T11:39:41.087-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sex'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='school'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='fiction'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='hasidim'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='children'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox judaism'/><title type='text'>Short Story About a Hasidic Girl</title><content type='html'>Author Rachel Ament emailed me a link to a very good short story she wrote called &lt;a href="http://muttsbane.com/iamacriminal.aspx"&gt;I Am a Criminal&lt;/a&gt;.  She says it's "very loosely" based on stories told to her by neighbors in Boro Park.  Excerpt:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Tamar opened the door to her apartment, pulled me inside with a hug.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;              “Baruch Hashem! Baruch Hashem!” she cheered. She led me to the dining room table where we played Gin-Rummy with Chinese playing cards. She held her fan of seven cards real close to her face. “Masha, stop looking,” she kept saying. Her mother soon entered with a casserole dish in hand, steam waving from its crust and her six or seven kids took their seats at the table. I took a seat diagonally across from Menachem, looked at him every now and then using only the corner of my eyes. He had grown into an attractive man, that Menachem. His face was quite youthful, all rounded edges, nice copper eyes that turned green in bad lighting. The only problem was his mouth which was rowed with these huge splint-sharp teeth. Teeth for a rodent, my mama once whispered to me with a laugh.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;              I didn’t want to stare at him so I tried to find something else to do with my eyes. I looked at my arm hair. I looked at the dog. I looked at Tamar, who was cutting her potato kugel into the shape of a star, swinging at the crust with these grand, seesawing motions, like she was sawing wood or something.  She was no doubt about it soliciting for attention.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;              “&lt;i&gt;Tamar&lt;/i&gt;,” I finally gave in, “What are you &lt;i&gt;doing&lt;/i&gt;?”   &lt;br /&gt;      &lt;br /&gt;              “Its just, well you know… kugel,” Tamar’s face grew serious.  “It's just so ugly, it's like...orphan mush. I’m just trying to make it more attractive.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;              “You are so mental,” I said.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;              “She really is,” Menachem said, staring at his plate, already regretful. As he should have been. Menachem was a &lt;i&gt;frum&lt;/i&gt; boy, mind you, and was weeding his way into conversation between two girls, one of whom was not related to him!—surely this meant our great solar system had kicked out of orbit.  Surely this meant the planets were suddenly rotating the sun in the broken-wheeled motions of the &lt;i&gt;hora &lt;/i&gt;instead of in its usual clean circuit.  I mean &lt;i&gt;surely.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;My father once said that sins happen in clumps. You bee-bee-gun a bird for pleasure, enjoy the thuggish feeling of watching feathers blasting with blood and you begin killing animals higher up the kingdom. Shoot to the top, so to speak. I guess the same phenomenon was happening with Menachem. He began talking to me with longer and longer sentence and it was not long before he had curled his upper lip behind his gumline and &lt;i&gt;smiled &lt;/i&gt;at me.  It wasn’t some shy smile either but a giant comedian performance smile toppling over with all sorts of chemicals and romantic implications. I even spotted a matching wink in his left eye.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-5783729765367527164?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/5783729765367527164/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=5783729765367527164&amp;isPopup=true' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/5783729765367527164'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/5783729765367527164'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2008/12/short-story-about-hasidic-girl.html' title='Short Story About a Hasidic Girl'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-1429959100237023302</id><published>2008-12-09T12:04:00.003-05:00</published><updated>2008-12-09T12:16:35.289-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='support'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='blogs'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='blogging'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='otd'/><title type='text'>New Blog for OTDers</title><content type='html'>Margo, Off The Derech, and I are starting a new invite-only blog for people who were once Orthodox and now are not and those currently making that transition.  It's invite-only so we have a place to discuss things without worrying about how Orthodox people will respond.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you're interested in joining as a reader or as a contributor please email one of us so that we can add you.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-1429959100237023302?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/1429959100237023302/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=1429959100237023302&amp;isPopup=true' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/1429959100237023302'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/1429959100237023302'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2008/12/new-blog-for-otders.html' title='New Blog for OTDers'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-5487920027630853827</id><published>2008-12-08T13:49:00.004-05:00</published><updated>2008-12-08T14:07:27.824-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='intellectual dishonesty'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodoxy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='morality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='priggishness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='rationalization'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='chizuk'/><title type='text'>How The Orthodox See The Rest Of Us</title><content type='html'>I just love the window &lt;a href="http://www.beyondbt.com/?p=1128"&gt;Beyond Teshuva&lt;/a&gt; provides into the Orthodox mind.  The bloggers are so excited about Orthodox Judaism and so unable to examine themselves that they are utterly honest about the mental gymnastics necessary to sustain Orthodox beliefs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here's Ron Coleman on how seeing non-Orthodox people on Facebook &lt;a href="http://www.beyondbt.com/?p=1128"&gt;strengthens his belief in Orthodoxy&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The other side: And that brings me back to a point related to my first one. The more I am exposed to what’s out there, whether it is among my former friends, associates and classmates who “look me up” or vice versa or among new people that I meet, the better I feel — by far — about the decision I have made about how to live my life. I cannot stress how much more valuable this is to me than the finger-pointing homilies in &lt;em&gt;frum&lt;/em&gt; literature, periodicals and classrooms about the emptiness of gentile or non-&lt;em&gt;frum&lt;/em&gt; Jewish lives. I see people whose lives are pathetic or sad, yes. I encounter a very distressing number of photographs of people of both sexes in their twenties, not life’s losers but professionals and prospective professionals, who are comfortable posing with alcoholic beverages hoisted in the air, as if life were just one drunken binge. This could go into the “dignity” point above, and it is a sad thing to see. But I also see people with rich, full, interesting and accomplished lives, professionally and, by all indications, personally, and nothing — not a thing — makes me want to switch places with them. The overall effect for me is one of &lt;em&gt;chizuk&lt;/em&gt;, reinforcement.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Two points:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First, the Orthodox Jew will find "chizuk" (a decidedly religous idea -- the non-religious don't need "chizuk") wherever he looks, because he can interepret what he sees however he wants.  If non-Orthodox people are pathetic or undignified, it makes him glad to be Orthodox.  But then again, if non-Orthodox people lead "rich, full, interesting and accomplished lives," it makes him... glad to be Orthodox.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Second is the smug judgment of others.  Coleman writes about people posing with drinks in their hand as if that were self-evidently undignified and a sad sight to see.  Note that this has no foundation whatsoever even in Orthodox Judaism, which encourages the use of alcoholic beverages specifically to enhance the joys of the Sabbath meal (and of holidays and weddings, etc.) and nowhere opposes responsible drinking outside of those occasions.  He attributes his priggish attitudes to Orthodoxy, and it gives him more chizuk by declaring Orthodox people superior.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-5487920027630853827?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/5487920027630853827/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=5487920027630853827&amp;isPopup=true' title='23 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/5487920027630853827'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/5487920027630853827'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2008/12/how-orthodox-see-rest-of-us.html' title='How The Orthodox See The Rest Of Us'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>23</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-6496225562087307580</id><published>2008-12-01T14:35:00.011-05:00</published><updated>2008-12-01T15:42:46.469-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='economics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='prognosticators'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='partisan'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='spin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='free market'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='wsj'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pundits'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='conservative'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='bullshit'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='accountability'/><title type='text'>Um, Yeah.  It Is a Recession.</title><content type='html'>It was obvious to anybody paying attention that we were entering a recession back at the beginning of the year.  Anybody except the conservatives, of course, who maintained that it was all a big media conspiracy to make Bush look bad.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here's Ezzie, who likes to claim I don't understand economics, &lt;a href="http://serandez.blogspot.com/2008/01/recession-uh-uh.html"&gt;in January of this year:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;A &lt;a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120147855494820719.html"&gt;great piece&lt;/a&gt; in today's &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Wall Street Journal&lt;/span&gt; discussing why the chances of a recession are extremely low, and showing just how well the economy is actually doing.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Excerpt from the piece, which is called -- I'm not kidding -- "The Economy Is Fine (Really)" :&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;It is hard to imagine any time in history when such rampant pessimism about the economy has existed with so little evidence of serious trouble...&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Models based on recent monetary and tax policy suggest real GDP will grow at a 3% to 3.5% rate in 2008, while the probability of recession this year is 10%. This was true before recent rate cuts and stimulus packages. Now that the Fed has cut interest rates by 175 basis points, the odds of a huge surge in growth later in 2008 have grown. The biggest threat to the economy is still inflation, not recession.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Yet many believe that a recession has already begun because credit markets have seized up.&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt; This pessimistic view argues that losses from the subprime arena are the tip of the iceberg. An economic downturn, combined with a weakened financial system, will result in a perfect storm for the multi-trillion dollar derivatives market. It is feared that cascading problems with inter-connected counterparty risk, swaps and excessive leverage will cause the entire "house of cards," otherwise known as the U.S. financial system, to collapse. At a minimum, they fear credit will contract, causing a major economic slowdown.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;For many, this catastrophic outlook brings back memories of the Great Depression, when bank failures begot more bank failures, money was scarce, credit was impossible to obtain, and economic problems spread like wildfire.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;This outlook is both perplexing and worrisome. Perplexing, because it is hard to see how a campfire of a problem can spread to burn down the entire forest. What Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke recently estimated as a $100 billion loss on subprime loans would represent only 0.1% of the $100 trillion in combined assets of all U.S. households and U.S. non-farm, non-financial corporations. Even if losses ballooned to $300 billion, it would represent less than 0.3% of total U.S. assets.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Beneath every dollar of counterparty risk, and every swap, derivative, or leveraged loan, is a real economic asset. The only way credit troubles could spread to take down the entire system is if the economy completely fell apart. And that only happens when government policy goes wildly off track.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;And please don't miss the conclusion:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Dow 15,000 looks much more likely than Dow 10,000. Keep the faith and stay invested. It's a wonderful buying opportunity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here's the same author explicitly &lt;a href="http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110010446"&gt;blaming the media&lt;/a&gt; for the "false pessimism about the economy."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At the time, I responded to Ezzie like this:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;So Ezzie, if in a year or two it becomes obvious that we are in a recession, do you promise to give up the WSJ? :-)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He didn't answer then.  I wonder if he'll answer now:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The National Bureau of Economic Research said Monday that the U.S. has been in a recession &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;since December 2007&lt;/span&gt;, making official what most Americans have already believed about the state of the economy .&lt;p&gt;The NBER is a private group of leading economists charged with dating the start and end of economic downturns. It typically takes a long time after the start of a recession to declare its start because of the need to look at final readings of various economic measures.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The NBER said that the deterioration in the labor market throughout 2008 was one key reason why it decided to state that the recession began last year. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Employers have trimmed payrolls by 1.2 million jobs in the first 10 months of this year. On Friday, economists are predicting the government will report a loss of another 325,000 jobs for November.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The NBER also looks at real personal income, industrial production as well as wholesale and retail sales. All those measures reached a peak between November 2007 and June 2008, the NBER said.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;I'm just positive that the WSJ and its readers will critically examine the reasons for their grievous errors and will radically adjust their understanding of economics.  Maybe they'll let even pick some economists based on merit instead of ideology.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yeah, right.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;EDIT&lt;/span&gt;: Here's Paul Krugman, also from January of this year, in that liberal rag &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/14/opinion/14krugman.html"&gt;The New York Times&lt;/a&gt;, two weeks before the WSJ spin-job:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Suddenly, the economic consensus seems to be that the implosion of the housing market will indeed push the U.S. economy into a recession, and that it’s quite possible that we’re already in one&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-6496225562087307580?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/6496225562087307580/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=6496225562087307580&amp;isPopup=true' title='40 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/6496225562087307580'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/6496225562087307580'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2008/12/um-yeah-it-is-recession.html' title='Um, Yeah.  It Is a Recession.'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>40</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-3028845532511995667</id><published>2008-11-26T14:50:00.008-05:00</published><updated>2008-11-26T17:47:03.365-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='boys'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='hedonism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='teenagers'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='parenting'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='life'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='morality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodoxy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='joy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sex'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='girls'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pleasure'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='frum sex'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='premarital sex'/><title type='text'>Premarital Sex: Risk vs. Reward</title><content type='html'>Last month, &lt;a href="http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2008/10/religion-and-teen-sex.html"&gt;I wrote&lt;/a&gt; that I support responsible and safe unmarried teen sex.  Of course my Orthodox readers responded negatively, with various reasons, but one argument jumped out over and over again: it's just too risky.  And there are serious risks, of course, ranging from simple hurt feelings to unwanted pregnancies to STDs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But what about the benefits?  It should be obvious to everyone that many or most teens desperately crave sex.  And it's not just a fantasy that can't be matched by reality -- teenagers who have sex rarely decide that they don't like it and it's not for them.  Sex is actually a really enjoyable thing, especially when you're an adolescent.  I mean, duh, right?  But religious people never talk about that side of the equation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Part of the problem is that they're usually talking about other people.  It's easy to declare something not worth the risk when you don't get to enjoy the rewards.  People who love smokers generally want them to quit more than the smokers themselves do -- smoker-lovers have to live with the risk of their loved one's illness and death but they don't get any enjoyment the smoker gets from puffing on his cancer sticks.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The same thing is true with teen sex.  If you have a sexually active teenager, you're not going to get much pleasure out of that idea unless you're unusually capable of enjoying another person's happiness even when it grosses you out.  But you do feel every risk as acutely or more acutely than your teen does.  Chances are that you'll be approximately as upset as she is if she gets pregnant or contracts an STD, but only she will get to enjoy the sex. So to you, the proposition is all risk, zero reward.  The choice is clear.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But what about your daughter?  Do you really have the right to make that choice for her?  Well, yes, of course you do if she's young enough to not understand or appreciate the risks involved.  Teens really are more impulsive than adults, and they have a tendency to underestimate risks.  But doesn't there come a point where they get old enough and rational enough that you've got to let them make that choice for themselves?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's not like there's a right answer and a wrong answer.  Is driving a car to your friend's house in the next town worth the slight risk of death and dismemberment that accompanies driving on the highway?  Is eating a charred hamburger worth the risk of cancer?  Should we abstain from dessert because who can eat just one cookie?  We make decisions like these every day, and there are no right answers.  Some questions (Is the potential reward of injecting heroin of unknown purity worth the risk?) seem easier than others, but all ultimately come down to personal preferences.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some neurotics refuse to shake hands because they're scared of germs and some rock stars plan to party hard and die young.  I'd probably prefer my kid be the neurotic than the rock star, but should that really be my choice?  Ultimately it's his life and his body.  All I can do is make sure he really understands the rewards and the risks and hope he makes a decision that I'm happy with.  But why should my desire to have grandchildren trump his desire to have as much sex and drugs possible even if it kills him?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So back to teen sex.  (Come on, Google hits!)  Is there any pleasure in life comparable to having sex as an adolescent?  I'm thinking no.  I'm sure religious people and others will say that getting married or having a child is somehow more enjoyable, and I'm positive that someone somewhere has argued that learning Talmud is better, but overall, it's got to be one of life's chief pleasures.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And it's not just a shallow pleasure, although it is that as well. Sex (I'm using the term broadly -- i.e., in the non-Clintonian sense -- now) plays an integral role in relationships that boys and girls start having in their teens.  Orthodox Jews would have you believe that relationships that don't lead to marriage are worthless at best and downright harmful at worst.  I don't think that's true.  While some relationships are harmful (just as some marriages are) one of life's more sublime pleasures is  having intimate relationships with other human beings.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So what if puppy love tends not to last?  Am I somehow worse off for having had a few relationships before I met my fiancee?  I don't think so.  And what if it'd turned out that a high-school relationship blossomed into a life-long marriage?  Who would be better off if I'd avoided entering into it because my parents were scared that dating leads to sex and sex leads to babies?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So let's stop looking at just one side of the equation.  Obviously if we were talking about a pill that produced no benefit of any kind but carried a tiny risk of pregnancy and/or STDs, nobody should take that pill.  But we're talking about sex.  Sex is really, really fun.  And it's the glue in a lot of meaningful relationships.  So you've got to balance that against the risk.  And it's really not fair to make that decision for someone else when you stand to get hurt by the risks but share no part in the rewards.  That's just selfishness masquerading as concern.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Previously: &lt;a href="http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2006/05/memories-of-orthodox-high-school.html"&gt;Memories of an Orthodox High School Romance&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-3028845532511995667?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/3028845532511995667/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=3028845532511995667&amp;isPopup=true' title='47 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/3028845532511995667'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/3028845532511995667'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2008/11/premarital-sex-risk-vs-reward.html' title='Premarital Sex: Risk vs. Reward'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>47</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-6755013788702267852</id><published>2008-11-12T14:17:00.003-05:00</published><updated>2008-11-12T14:23:01.023-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='prosyletizing'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='atheism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='advertising'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='activism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pr'/><title type='text'>Atheist Advertising Coming to Washington D.C.</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/11/AR2008111102522.html?hpid=sec-religion"&gt;Taking Atheism for a Ride Around Town&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;If you sometimes find yourself praying for a seat on a crowded Metrobus, some atheists have a message for you: Don't bother.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;They would say that, wouldn't they? Prayer's not their thing. And starting Tuesday they'll be bringing their unique brand of holiday message to area commuters. Advertisements will begin popping up on Metrobuses in the District that read: "Why believe in a god? Just be good for goodness' sake."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At a news conference at the National Press Club yesterday, members of the American Humanist Association -- one of the country's leading atheist and agnostic organizations -- explained what they're up to.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Our message is that all of us can have moral values as a natural result of who we are as a species and who we have become as a civilization," said Fred Edwords, the association's director of communications. "Each one of us knows what it means, generally, to be ethical." &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And apparently I missed this story:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Jan Meshon was at the news conference. He helped organize the placement of billboards on Interstate 95 and the New Jersey Turnpike that read: "Don't believe in God? You're not alone."&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://i528.photobucket.com/albums/dd330/TotoKatt/Billboard4_edited.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px;" src="http://i528.photobucket.com/albums/dd330/TotoKatt/Billboard4_edited.jpg" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-6755013788702267852?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/6755013788702267852/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=6755013788702267852&amp;isPopup=true' title='18 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/6755013788702267852'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/6755013788702267852'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2008/11/atheist-advertising-coming-to.html' title='Atheist Advertising Coming to Washington D.C.'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>18</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-8030097763189827057</id><published>2008-11-09T09:54:00.005-05:00</published><updated>2008-11-09T10:10:13.498-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='civil rights'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='gay rights'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='religion'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='evil'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='gay marriage'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='discrimination'/><title type='text'>How Religion Causes Good Men To Do Evil: Gay Marriage Edition</title><content type='html'>There's been a lot of talk about how African-Americans disproportionately voted against gay marriage in California while simultaneously voting for Barack Obama.  It's true that they did vote against it disproportionately -- 70% to 30% -- but focusing on race misses the point.  The driving factor, of course, is religion.  African-Americans just happen to be more religious than whites.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/SRb75qGpcAI/AAAAAAAAAHk/vOGOFqxJVkY/s1600-h/chart.png"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: pointer; width: 305px; height: 231px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/SRb75qGpcAI/AAAAAAAAAHk/vOGOFqxJVkY/s400/chart.png" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5266673782229659650" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;84% to 16%.  Wow.  That beats even the "White Republicans" demographic, which went for prop 8 by 82%-18%.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Previously: How Religion Causes Good Men To Do Evil, Parts &lt;a href="http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2005/05/how-orthodoxy-causes-good-men-to-do.html"&gt;One&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2008/07/how-religion-causes-good-men-to-do-evil.html"&gt;Two&lt;/a&gt;.  &lt;a href="http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2008/10/mormons-dominating-fight-against-gay.html"&gt;Mormons Dominating the Fight Against Gay Marriage&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-8030097763189827057?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/8030097763189827057/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=8030097763189827057&amp;isPopup=true' title='27 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/8030097763189827057'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/8030097763189827057'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2008/11/how-religion-causes-good-men-to-do-evil.html' title='How Religion Causes Good Men To Do Evil: Gay Marriage Edition'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_y4Ew36TkjKE/SRb75qGpcAI/AAAAAAAAAHk/vOGOFqxJVkY/s72-c/chart.png' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>27</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-2279629548728679419</id><published>2008-11-07T14:43:00.003-05:00</published><updated>2008-11-07T14:46:35.576-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='clinton'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='obama'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='mccain'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='palin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='newsweek'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='article'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='links'/><title type='text'>NEWSWEEK: How He Did It</title><content type='html'>I've only read chapter 1 of 7 so far, but &lt;a href="http://www.newsweek.com/id/167582/page/1"&gt;this story&lt;/a&gt; about the campaign looks pretty interesting.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-2279629548728679419?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/2279629548728679419/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=2279629548728679419&amp;isPopup=true' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/2279629548728679419'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/2279629548728679419'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2008/11/newsweek-how-he-did-it.html' title='NEWSWEEK: How He Did It'/><author><name>Jewish Atheist</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-5799130505053195153</id><published>2008-11-05T12:19:00.004-05:00</published><updated>2008-11-05T12:27:44.199-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='fearmongering'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='obama'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='israel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='courage politics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='antisemitism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='propaganda'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='rahm emanuel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='republicans'/><title type='text'>Obama, the Jews, and Israel, Part II</title><content type='html'>Sometimes it's just funny how far removed from reality the Republican talking points are.  As you &lt;a href="http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2008/11/gop-jews-who-cry-wolf.html"&gt;may recall,&lt;/a&gt; Republicans have been trying to push the message that Obama is bad for Israel and has a long, scary pattern of associating with anti-semites.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Today he chose Rahm Emanuel as his chief of staff.  Emanuel is an Orthodox Jew.  His father is Israeli.  During the first Gulf War, Emanuel was a civilian volunteer in Israel, rust-proofing brakes on an army base in the north.  He supported this Bush's Iraq war, too.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What an Israel-hating anti-semite that Obama is.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13054771-5799130505053195153?l=jewishatheist.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/feeds/5799130505053195153/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13054771&amp;postID=5799130505053195153&amp;isPopup=true' title='16 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13054771/posts/default/5799130505053195153'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.c
